Monsanto

[hemet dennis]

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BearFootFarm:They told the Dept of Defense there was contamination in the product.
It was NOT the product itself that was so "dangerous"

Got a link for that statement?


someone told me about 20 years ago that the government used it at higher than recomended concentrations. and because of that it gave the people exposed cancer, and that it was non-cancerous or at least the risk of cancer was much lower than at the levels they used it at. I have no idea if that is true though. but I can see either contamination or higher than recommended concentration POSSIBLY being true.

The companies that made it never meant for it to be sprayed over people every few days. If you spray round up on yourself every few days and get sick, don't complain to Monsanto.

 

[oldrooster]

Quote:

BearFootFarm:They told the Dept of Defense there was contamination in the product.
It was NOT the product itself that was so "dangerous"

Got a link for that statement?


someone told me about 20 years ago that the government used it at higher than recomended concentrations. and because of that it gave the people exposed cancer, and that it was non-cancerous or at least the risk of cancer was much lower than at the levels they used it at. I have no idea if that is true though. but I can see either contamination or higher than recommended concentration POSSIBLY being true.

The companies that made it never meant for it to be sprayed over people every few days. If you spray round up on yourself every few days and get sick, don't complain to Monsanto.
Your comment reminds me of someone I know had a chemist as a close friend about the time sacharine was deemed a cancer causing chemical (that warning was lifted a few years ago) the chemist read the reports and figured up what amounts needed to consume to cause cancer and it was something to the tune of 28-30 2 liter bottles of diet soda needed to be drank EVERY DAY for something like 6 months. You'd kill yourself by drinking that much of anything before you'd get cancer from it.

 

[Bear Foot Farm]

BearFootFarm:They told the Dept of Defense there was contamination in the product.
It was NOT the product itself that was so "dangerous"

Got a link for that statement?

Of course:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

(TCDD), and that the TCDD was causing many of the previously unexplained adverse health effects which were correlated with Agent Orange exposure

 

[nan4848]

And from reading your link, plus several related sites, it is my understanding, that dioxin is a byproduct of Agent Orange. Nor does it surprise me that this was known as in the 50's and the US government used it anyway.

helmet dennis: The companies that made it never meant for it to be sprayed over people every few days. If you spray round up on yourself every few days and get sick, don't complain to Monsanto.

Roundup doesn't have to be sprayed on people to cause harm. It exists in the soil and water and travels up the food chain.

According to the German journal Ithaka,1 every single urine sample collected from city dwellers around Berlin tested positive for glyphosate, with values ranging from 0.5 to 2 nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml) – that's between five and 20 times the permissible upper limit for glyphosate in German drinking water, which is set at 0.1 ng/ml. According to the featured article:2
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/10/23/glyphosate-found-in-human-urine.aspx

With all the glyphosate being sprayed in agriculture and the ridiculous quest for the perfect green lawn that rarely is used, it exists in soil and water and travels up the food chain.

 

[KristyHall]

I listened to the head researcher on the Monarch population collapse speak. He is truly concerned by the use of roundup and has decades of research to back up his findings on the use of certain key chemicals. We need to change our view on what is considered a weed, and our over use of monoculture. We are greatly limiting genetic diversity and setting ourselves up for famine.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/monsanto-s-roundup-shown-to-be-ravaging-butterfly-population/29684


http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/03/25/monsanto-v-monarch-butterflies/


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/20...awyer-suggests-new-standard-for-suing-farmers


http://www.globalresearch.ca/agricu...cts-cause-tumors-organ-damage-in-rats/5305494

I do not usually consider Wiki a viable source, but the page does have some thoroughly detailed notes that are worth glancing over, but as most wiki pages, should not be taken as law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/timeline/earthdays/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/death-...ecline-of-bee-colonies-in-north-america/25950

http://www.scienceclarified.com/everyday/Real-Life-Chemistry-Vol-5/Food-Webs.html

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0043130

http://tppconline.org/the-news/253-monsantos-roundup-altering-the-physical-shape-of-amphibians.html

http://www.motherearthnews.com/orga...icide-compost-zwfz1209zhun.aspx#axzz2QjIARu3m

http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/herbicide-damage-zmgz13fmzsto.aspx#axzz2QjIARoJW

http://www.weeds.iastate.edu/mgmt/qtr00-1/herbpersistence.htm

http://pubs.cas.psu.edu/freepubs/pdfs/uc105.pdf


http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012/04/24/monsanto-is-bad-for-the-bees-and-bad-for-us/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

http://indianapublicmedia.org/eartheats/monsanto-settles-agent-orange-lawsuit-93-million/

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...-settlement-on-agent-orange-class-action-suit

http://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146144078/monsanto-accused-in-suit-tied-to-agent-orange

I love Cracked.com, but it is a humor site first. While it has some really good articles with some good links to research to back it up, you have to do a little digging to see what is sarcasm and what isn't. I won't give the link because it discusses things inappropriate for kids, but it is worth looking up if you have the time on their discussion of Monsanto.


Some of these are just quick links since I do not feel like dredging up the research notes, I admit some I did not check over thoroughly, but it is information I was already aware of before visiting these sites.. some are sources that I trust. This includes research from various universities.

I am not saying the company is purposely out to hurt people. I am saying it is out to make money, controls a large portion of our food supply, and does so by supplying seed and chemicals that are made to be used together. The company has its hands in a little of everything and massive amounts of money and lawyers at its disposal. This makes it a threat to human safety. It is in the company's best interest to white wash it's involvement in environmental damage. It has a history of putting profit over consumer safety, as most large companies do, and this is one of the main reasons why laws are in place (and in some cases still needed to be in place) to protect consumers.

It may seem cynical, but human nature is pretty universal. Science and psychology shows the more powerful a person, the more removed from the general population a person is, the easier it is to essentially dismiss the health and safety of the general population. The consumers become a faceless blob. They become the " other". It is a form of dehumanizing that has been used throughout history to justify suffering inflicted on others in one's own pursuit of selfish desires, be it power, money, fame, religious domination, and so on.

I am not saying these things in a knee jerk "all big companies are bad!". I am truly concerned about the sheer amount of power this company has over every day human life. The amount of power and money they have wielded in the halls of our lawmakers. The very fact that they have succeeded in patenting gene. Patenting biological, living, organisms. It is understood that some people here depend on the company for their lively hoods (mostly farmers), and I am not attacking one's desire to make a living, but shouldn't it concern you that you DEPEND on this company to live? That this company has so little restraint in it's growth and activity? That there is so little transparency? That it lobbies millions to our lawmakers to pass a law protecting that single company solely from litigation? That it has patented life itself?

Enough with trying to right fight. I am not attacking you, hard working farmers. I am merely asking you to try and get my point of view, and why this company is truly worrisome to me, and many many others, and that we too, who disagree with you, have done our homework as you have.

 

[Peaches Lee]

I read an article about the Monarch butterflies and their plight--I think it was Time magazine, makes me glad we have milkweed around my farm.

 

[KristyHall]

I read an article about the Monarch butterflies and their plight--I think it was Time magazine, makes me glad we have milkweed around my farm.

me too. I like milkweed personally.

We tend to practice mixed herd grazing ourselves so the need for herbicides are not necessary. if you run meat sheep or goats with cattle, horses, or other grass eating livestock, you will have little problem with "weedy" pastures since each species eats a different type of plant, and it encourages biodiversity that encourages habitat for beneficial insects like honey bees, butterflies,praying mantises, and other creatures such as birds, rabbits, and deer. All that extra habitat gives animals like foxes and hawks less of an excuse to go after your chickens and small animals.

I have very little problem with predators and my birds range over 20 acres of forest and field, and I loose one or two birds at most a year to predators. I inter plant in my gardens too, don't use pesticides, rarely use even organic pest control methods other than hand picking and such, and I rarely have a bad year (Except when those tornadoes hit a year back. ) meanwhile I am not chained to my land because my animals and crops can go a good deal of time without someone checking them every day, giving me wiggle room to have a neighbor just glance in on occasion to make Sure the horses didn't eat the cats or something.

Sorry, went on a ramble, just came in from the garden so I'm all shades of happy.

 

[oldrooster]

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Also rotational grazing with cattle contained to small pastures and rotated frequently has the same effect, more evenly grazed land, I have a cousin in WY who does this and rarely has to feed hay of a winter even, after he started it his parents and he wondered why they never thought to do it long before they did...

 

[KristyHall]

Also rotational grazing with cattle contained to small pastures and rotated frequently has the same effect, more evenly grazed land, I have a cousin in WY who does this and rarely has to feed hay of a winter even, after he started it his parents and he wondered why they never thought to do it long before they did...

Yes, that is a very good method. We rotate our herd even if they are mixed, to give each pasture a rest.

 

[KristyHall]

this is an interesting opinion piece.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/15650-monsantos-next-target-democracy