Muscovies in US - REGULATION CHANGES OPEN FOR COMMENTS - 10/1 update

[downhome]

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I'm not sure that proving they are not migratory birds will necessarily help. The FWS claims that this is to protect native waterfowl that fall under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918. They are treating muscovies as an invasive species rather than a domesticated one. Since these regulations are designed to protect other migratory birds, they have enough wiggle room to claim whether or not muscovies migrate is immaterial.

That's just how I'm interpreting things - I'm no legal expert by any stretch of the imagination.

niether am I but again thats not why, the fws (fish and wild life service) has in mine and many other peoples opinions classified them as
migritory waterfowl but we are mere people and not trained scientists , provideing them protection in the "supposed" expanded range (texas) and as a migritory species that gives them legal leway to do so under the Migritory bird act or treaty,they left recourse for the states where they are not native and are invasive do to human introduction to deal with it how they see fit (feral populations) but it is not the feral nature or invasiness that gives them this legal edge its that they have been deemed migritory. other wise they would have feral cats,pigs,snakes Im sure the list is longer listed as threats to waterfowl and on a destroy list/can not be privitely owned list.

there are many other water fowl that can be owned and carry a simular risk to wild water fowl. why just the muskovys bet if someone looks a little bit someone in charge here has a house down in florida that gets a regular barage of skovy poop! or they stand to profit from a farm that provides skovy meat to the evolving market.

now pet folks Im not against your pets, nor am I against adoting feral skovys, but Im not for feral populations of anything either someone brings them under control one way or the other,here with a any valid hunting license any feral beast may be brought down we didnt nor do we now need the fws permission. I.E adopt or shoot. I have my breeders who are assured a good long life even after there fruitfull years but to me the offspring are table fare there will and are exceptions thier always will be both male and female but my main focus is meat , so yes I could skirt this one way or the other but its a bs power play if you want pet ducks thats up to you as citizens you have that right!
if I want to eat mine thats up to me! if someone wants a balance between the two thats up to them! the fws is reachinging on this and no it is not a done deal, they added and removed species before and will do so again. it is up to us the american people to press them to remove scovys from this list and if no other country is issueing this order I have to say the fws is way out of bounds!

the fws has no legal authority under the mwfa to prohibit any livestock!

 

[Davaroo]

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I agree to a point about their invasive nature. Like any creature that is given the chance, they will breed and expand. I've seen Mucovies that were more than nuisance, they were a terror. Some control was in order, for sure.

But on the other hand, given a farm life and the control of their owners, I see little reason why they cannot remain in the panoply of farm fowl raised for private use.

After all, a few years ago feral chickens (that sounds like an oxymoron...) actually took over a small town in Florida. There was no sweeping ban to eliminate chickens from the landscape, however. They went to the source and removed those feral birds that could be taken or controlled. This was successful after a fashion. At last report, the chickens were still holding out....

That is what needs to happen here - eradicate the ones that are a nuisance or hazard. Were not talking invasive Asian carp or sea lampreys, breeding by the millions beyond the sight of man. But unlike these or the chickens in Florida, Muscovies are large, slow birds the size of a toddler, for goodness sake. It cant be too hard to spot the real trouble makers and do away with them.

 

[The Wolf Queen]

Um I havent read much of this post but I was wondering if you guys understand that the new law is only for the WILD variety and ferals. Not farm yard domestics which most of us on here keep and breed. It still sucks but hey at least we still getta keep those ones

. This is such a bummer though

ETA: That I asked my veterinarian and he had gone to a seminar or something and that fish and wild life were there and they even explained this. So as long as your breeding domestics its 100% legal to breed them for pets and such.

 

[Kelsykin]

If you want to read the full copy of the ruling go to my blog : http://www.cosmicrainbowfarm.com/

I copied and pasted the entire PDF to my blog. Only edits were spelling, punctuation and grammar mistakes. (and there was a ton in the original) The link does not work even though I copied it from the PDF file.

 

[downhome]

dont know if what you know about our goverment but this regulation is loosely worded and open to interpretation say that one slow ,well you at it say it backwards go ahead and mix the words up abit now come up with a catchy phase or jingle shoot even a hum
now go sell your own brand of fertilzer to to the american public, this rule or regulation is loosely worded and if i where some one out to push my control factor hold on let me cite for you part or the regulation

"We allow private
ownership of MBTA-protected species
in few circumstances. We intend to
disallow private possession of muscovy
ducks, except to raise them to be sold
as food (which has been ongoing for
years). However, we will allow
possession of any live muscovy duck
held on the date when this rule takes
effect.
In most every location, the muscovy
duck is an introduced, invasive species.
We will allow control of muscovy ducks
as best suits the needs of the States and
wildlife management agencies, who
requested this authorization. Though
the control order allows States and other
entities to remove muscovy ducks, we
do not expect that they will do so when
the ducks are on private property.
However, people who propagate
muscovy ducks or allow them to
multiply and move off their property
should realize that the muscovy ducks
may be subject to the control efforts that
the State or local wildlife agency deems
necessary."


if you dont relize how things can be bent theres is a good bit of gate left open for the opposing force. read the act a few time and see how it could work out with different interpretations! duck is a hot meat now a days very trendy even Emeril has pushed it! meat is big buisness Im just waiting for politicins to catch on ,I would never eat them as well their dirty! but dosnt mean it would not make my life easy "TRY THE SUPER LONG PORK TODAY" " BEST OF SOCIETY" I know what I advised against but just a little release before I go off on one of theses guys!

 

[Cottage Rose]

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Ron we live in backward, sick society
where evil is considered good and good is considered evil
and people are lovers of themselves.
Sorry I can't resist (in reference to what Ron is talking about)
this is Bible prophesy coming true.
Its called "the slippery slope".
God help us all.
Wake up America!

 

[Cottage Rose]

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For the moment.
They gain control one increment at a time least they rile up the peasants.
Its all about government control of the food supply.
All that wording about feral Muscovys being invasive and migatory is merely a smoke screen.

 

[cherndon712]

I've emailed Wyomings Congresswoman and 2 Senators. Off to email a few more representatives

I am just absolutely disgusted with this new regulation and am trying to do my part to fight it! As I said before, we have NO feral muscovies here, but enough feral cats and European Starlings (who, btw, have introduced mites and lice and who-knows-what-else to my chickens, ducks, geese and turkeys) to sink a ship!

 

[downhome]

you know rose I had simular nieghbors except they wanted my dogs removed for reasons other then thier welfare here is is six years later I still own my dogs wich where always where well cared for they just went from house pets ( they insisted on eating the furniture rather then sleeping on it,wich i could of delt with) to outside aninimals other wise they are good dogs but with out 24/7 attention they will not be indoors ever! doors,windows,couchs cords,tvs name it and it was chewed up. are they bad dogs well ya are they evil and uncontrolable no,only if your not there. other wise they do respond to commands vey well,yes,they deal with a outdoor kennnel very well ? yes!indooors no not unless you are there(you being me) and you know I can not be available 24/7 for anyone! not possiable maybe some one will pay my way and make work part of my past to devote all my time to the dogs and well they are at it they can pay someone to take care of my kids in my absence. just trying to point out the absurd. I had animal control,the police ,and the humane society called out on me !!!! you know what not one found fault with my keeping of the dogs nor the care provided ! the nieghbor being the dink well all I can say is those that knew me best provided him a little comfort! end of story. basicly my nieghbors and friends gave thiws guy the treatment he gave me not at my beqyest but I cite the unwritten rule "what goes around comes around"!

 

[Dances with Ducks]

Ok, reading downhome's snippet (in post 225) it seems to me FWS considers muscovy to be a protected species under the Migratory Bird Act in areas where it is considered native, and an invasive species where it isn't native. It makes me wonder how this compares with the regulations regarding ownership of mallards or other types of ducks?
Anyway maybe we do need to find evidence, if we can, that the muscovy is not a migratory bird as downhome was advised to do by his FWS contact.

edited for clarity