Muscovies: what color and pattern are these?

Wow!! And I keep learning and learning.... This will help you guys get back to the color genetics part of this thread...pictures!! This young drake was a surprise find at a local gentleman's place last September. I called on some ducklings he had and, during the discussion, he mentioned a having a "grey duck" so I just had to go check out his stock since I had never seen a "grey" Muscovy and barely knew they existed (also knowing it was either a blue or lavender). In the beginning of the year, I had contacted Dave Holderread about his Muscovies and was told he could refer me to people that had taken over that project, but the birds were no longer his. I had no idea before listening to you guys that there was an issue with him, but, since we are from California and he is the closest (except for Metzer's), have gotten ducklings from him in the past. Of course, his books are one my shelf and I am a little saddened to hear that the duck world is the same as what I see in horses and dogs, but that is a whole other discussion. Back to my young drake. I would love ANY help from those of you who know way more about Muscovy coloring than I do, with finding out what color and pattern he is and, if you are willing, to help me learn what I can expect out of his offspring when he is put to different ducks. Right now, I am in the process of building different yards so my 3 Muscovy drakes, 3 Muscovy ducks, and one remaining Ancona are loose in the yard together with all of my other birds. The youngest black and white (okay, I do not know if he should be called a black pied with a white head? What is proper?) drake from last year's babies from my black and white male and chocolate pied female will be leaving and not be used for breeding here.

Here is my boy with a duck I got from the same place. I believe he said that her mother was a similar color to him, but had more of a chocolate color than he does...kind of a "muddier" version of him. All I saw at his place were black and white drakes, some with white heads, some without, but from what I have observed, it appears that the white markings spread over time (similar to Appaloosa markings on horses or the color grey on horses) so they may just have been young drakes. From my notes, I think that this drake's mother was white and sister to the mostly black duck that I brought home with him. I did see a brother the gentleman was keeping because he liked his "grey" birds and the brother had much more white than this guy. The two would have been hatched in March according to what he remembered. I do know that this was the first time he had seen this color in his flock and that he said the hen's Mama (my drake's Grandma?) just showed up at his pond one day and never left.

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This is a picture of him in the beginning of October at approximately 7 months.

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And here are a couple close-ups of his markings. I do not remember the difference between "barred" and "ripple" and will not even attempt to tell you what I would call him
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Any help on this would be appreciated!! As you guys have already said that there is no good Muscovy book out there and just recently found the Duck section of this forum. I just hadn't paged down from learning about chickens
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So glad that I found you guys and look forward to learning as much as can from you!!! A huge Thanks! in advance....
 
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Gorgeous pictures on your website, Cottage Rose!! As far as this drake is concerned, I figured out the pied part as well as the ripple or barred part. At what age would he loose his bars if he were to be barred as opposed to a ripple? Is his base color blue? Do you use the "white head" marking in a description of the bird as in "Black pied drake with a white head" or "Black and white canizie drake" or ??? Is it any amount of white to be considered a pied or a specific percentage? I bookmarked the two websites that you suggested last night and I am working on really learning them, but it will take time and seems to lead me toward more and more questions.
 
Okay, I am removing my previous posts out of respect for the OP and because they were quite obviously misconstrued. In keeping with the topic at hand, I agree with Smithzoo, you have some gorgeous birds Cottage Rose! I *love* your Self Blues and Dark Ripples. I really would like to get a few birds in those colors eventually.
 
Looks like a pied ripple or barred to me
or a combo (barred x ripple).
See my websites Muscovy page for pics of some ripples.

I am so glad you said that.
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I was feeling confused since the pattern looked very close to barring in part but rippled also. Anywhoooooo, very pretty drake.

I personally would use the white head in the discription since the white head gene is dominate and would carry over into progeny.​
 
Welcome back Fr. John!
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I guess I wasn't focusing on the white head when I said it was a pied. duh.
Anyhoo when you cross a ripple with a barred you sometimes get the rare "Loonie"
marked bird (suposedly marked like a Loon) but I have never seen one, even a pic so
I'm clueless and can't advice you there.
I suspect its a barred x ripple and since I haven't raised barred I'm not sure
if they all lose the barring or at what age.
 
Most barred Scovies lose all or most barring once they molt into their adult feathering with only a fraction of the barring showing along the sides and back . If in fact, that is white barring on smithzoo's Scovie, he would be the second Scovy I've seen where the barring did not molt out. My Scovy, Charlotte's, barring increased, albeit thinner lined than smithzoo's, as her white head manifested. Charlotte also has white patches or pied coloring. It would be nice to know whether or not the white head gene or the white color gene has anything to do with allowing the barring to be maintained or manifest in the adult feathers.
 

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