Muscovy duck color question

[The Moonshiner]

Like I said I'm no expert.
I'd never heard of the "magpie" gene in muscovy so I assumed they were referring to what I call pied. They may of been my bad.
So is there a magpie gene in muscovy?
Would the magpie gene be like in magpie and/or ancona ducks? I have crossed anacona ducks with buffs and only got more buffs and no ancona looking patterns.

 

[AquaDuck]

Like I said I'm no expert.
I'd never heard of the "magpie" gene in muscovy so I assumed they were referring to what I call pied. They may of been my bad.
So is there a magpie gene in muscovy?
Would the magpie gene be like in magpie and/or ancona ducks? I have crossed anacona ducks with buffs and only got more buffs and no ancona looking patterns.

I refer to the one in the front as a "magpie", white with black only on top and under the wings. She's the daughter of a barred pied black and a white.

The one in the back here is what I'd call a pied, black with white wings and chest (And white head gene). The one in front is barred black (also white head gene). As an adolescent she was totally barred black, no white spots. They're both daughters of a barred black and a barred pied black.

@learycow Is this right? Am I at least close?

 

[learycow]

Magpie is very specific. Colored cap, saddle and tail (though white head genes will cover the cap if your birds have this)

Pied would be a bird without the specific pattern, and any large or small amount of white.

Magpie will not present in offspring unless they have a copy of magpie from EACH parent. Magpie over magpie will produce all magpies. Whereas pied over pied will produce solid, pied, and whites.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Thank you for sharing the info.

 

[AquaDuck]

Magpie is very specific. Colored cap, saddle and tail (though white head genes will cover the cap if your birds have this)

Pied would be a bird without the specific pattern, and any large or small amount of white.

Magpie will not present in offspring unless they have a copy of magpie from EACH parent. Magpie over magpie will produce all magpies. Whereas pied over pied will produce solid, pied, and whites.

I wonder if I could ask you some more questions, if you don't mind. I've used your web page for information for years, and am excited to have the opportunity to learn from the best!

Does the duck in the top photo in the post above qualify as magpie? I always assumed it was because of her white dad... From what you're saying magpie is recessive, so BOTH her parents must have one gene for it to show on her? Does heterozygote magpie show in phenotype at all, or is it totally hidden.
The grey and white one behind her is her son, the father's a silver male. Does he go as magpie or pied?

Also, would you say the one in front in the 2nd picture is pied because of the white on her wingbands? She started out barred black as an adolescent and the white has gotten bigger for every molt.

 

[learycow]

I wonder if I could ask you some more questions, if you don't mind. I've used your web page for information for years, and am excited to have the opportunity to learn from the best!

Does the duck in the top photo in the post above qualify as magpie? I always assumed it was because of her white dad... From what you're saying magpie is recessive, so BOTH her parents must have one gene for it to show on her? Does heterozygote magpie show in phenotype at all, or is it totally hidden.
The grey and white one behind her is her son, the father's a silver male. Does he go as magpie or pied?

Also, would you say the one in front in the 2nd picture is pied because of the white on her wingbands? She started out barred black as an adolescent and the white has gotten bigger for every molt.

Certainly! But I never claim to be the best, haha.

Do you mean the above pic? If so, i would say yes, that's a magpie based on markings. With the white head gene hiding her black cap. But you could test breed her to find out for sure.
They can carry the gene but not show it. Similar to how drakes can carry chocolate.

The blue behind her looks to be pied but he could just be a poorly marked magpie. Test breeding would tell you for sure. If you breed him to his mother, you will get all magpie marked babies if they are both magpies.

I would say shes black barred but not pied. Just heavy white wing bands

 

[AquaDuck]

Certainly! But I never claim to be the best, haha.

Do you mean the above pic? If so, i would say yes, that's a magpie based on markings. With the white head gene hiding her black cap. But you could test breed her to find out for sure.
They can carry the gene but not show it. Similar to how drakes can carry chocolate.

The blue behind her looks to be pied but he could just be a poorly marked magpie. Test breeding would tell you for sure. If you breed him to his mother, you will get all magpie marked babies if they are both magpies.

I would say shes black barred but not pied. Just heavy white wing bands

The duckling in my avatar is an offspring of the two, and that will be magpie yes? The whole white ones are theirs too, that would be white masking possible homozygotus magpie I guess.

How do you get poorly marked magpie? Other genes affecting the magpie gene? The way to avoid that would be to only breed good magpies together? I have a goal of creating good looking light blue/silver magpie. It's such a lovely pattern.

 

[learycow]

Its just like any pattern. Some are perfect others are not.
Selecting very well marked magpies to breed increases your chances of better marked offspring.