Mutts or lilacs?

[Sir Birdaholic]

Hey Super Lag,
I see your breeding for Golden Phoenix. Is this the longtail chicken or a new color of turkey. I hope it's a new turkey color, because just by the name alone,.....I WANT SOME!

 

[Lagerdogger]

Its one that Kevin Porter dreamed up or at least figured out. You might be able to but some from him, but Minnesota has very strict import laws to protect the commercial industry, so I have to make my own.

http://www.porterturkeys.com/goldenphoenix.htm

Its a black wing narragansett with one plam gene and one red gene. My evil plan is to cross royal palms with bourbon reds. This gives me a bunch of birds with a single black wing gene, a single palm gene, a single narri gene, and a single red gene. If I breed these back to royal palms, half will have black wings. Of these, 1/2 will have the single palm. Of these, 1/2will have two narri genes, and of those, 1/2 will have a single red. So only one in 16 will be golden phoenix (and only half of those toms!). Then I would also get a variety of very nice looking other colors as well.

I am currently set up to keep only a few birds overwinter, so I either need to make some more winter coops or hope for a lot of luck! I could leave some outside in their free-range pen. The problem isn't so much that the birds would suffer, but that the turkeys are set up a long way from the barn where the water is, and a long way from electricity to keep the water open. And if we get a lot of snow it just gets that much harder.

 

[Sir Birdaholic]

The Golden Phoenix is a beaut! Sounds like you have to go through alot to get there.

But.... it's worth it!

 

[Tunastopper]

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I still consider them the same breed even the BB turkeys. The only difference is they are a line that was selected for BB. The BB turkeys have changed from the BB turkeys years ago. They use to breed naturally. Now they have lost that. This is because of selection by the breeder. Even some dog breeds have lost the ability to give birth naturaly because of selection of other qualities like large heads. They are still the same breed they use to be. If anyone is a mix it would be the minature turkeys. I like to think of them as a breeding line that was a mix that was selected for a certian type. They have changed depending on who is breeding them now. As far as color goes you can breed size into any color through selection. You can even make BB royal palms if you wanted. Palms are small because some people breed to the standard but they do not have to be small.

 

[southerngamebirds1]

So far 5 silver with brown poults and 1 black with brown spots. 6 of 6 so far. Pitt good for a hova bator

 

[southerngamebirds1]

im on third generation now and all the poults are breeding true. just as the pics of lilacs. light silver/gray with cinnamon band on tail. it was suggested that lilacs are bronze with the blue gene. anyway, they are larger than my bourbon reds.

 

[jasonm11]

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hey I want to see that too!!!!

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[southerngamebirds1]

what r u thinking? lol

 

[Sebrightmom]

I just found this thread. I have three lilac toms that I hatched this spring. Sadly, I didn't hatch out a hen. What would be the best kind of hen to get to get more lilacs besides a lilac? I am new to turkeys and I am trying to learn. I love the lilac color. I also have Royal Palms, Blue Slate, and Narragansetts. I don't know the sex of any of the Blue Slate or Narragansetts yet.

 

[syble]

Something to keep in mind is that there are 2 different strains of lilacs. Porters which breeds true and is a bronze turkey with 2 copies of the slate gene. then theres sand hill, its blue slate, bronze and has 1 copy or the red, or something along that lines.

If you have a lilac, find a blue slate with 2 copies of the slate to breed it to then breed the offpsring back. selective breeding should work