My Chook has a bad leg!!

both feet are out the front, not splits. I have just given her 1/4 tablet Uncrushed (it’s night so I’ll crush some in breakfast) think I need to adjust my flocks eating habits as they don’t eat the fine grains in the bottom of the feeder. Probably where the good stuff is. Brew shop tomorrow for some yeast. I have a pigeon problem in my run, so spread of Maleks is inevitable. She is from a reputable breeder, so surely vacced. :fl She’s still only year + 1/2 old. I got new girls 6 months ago.
Your feed may certainly be part of the problem. If you are using a grain mix feed rather than a pellet or crumble, there are a number of serious concerns about them, especially if feeding them adlib. As you mention, the powdery fines which tend to contain the minerals like calcium and essential amino acids are often left in the bottom of the feeder and if they have the opportunity, some birds will pick out their favourite components, usually the high carbohydrate grains and leave the healthier protein rich pulses which causes them a dietary imbalance over time that can lead to them becoming obese and suffering reproductive problems like egg binding or prolapse and/or salpingitis and even internal laying. Fat particles can also build up in the liver and cause Fatty Liver Haemorrhagic Syndrome, which can cause a massive rupture of the liver and sudden death in a seemingly healthy bird. Heavier birds like Orpingtons and Sussex are more susceptible to Fatty Liver Disease.

I would also be surprised if your reputable breeder vaccinates for Marek's. The logistics of it make it difficult for a small scale producer because the vaccine only comes in 1000 dose quantity which needs to be kept chilled and once the active ingredients are mixed it has to be used within an hour. Added to that, you have to operate very strict biosecurity of the chicks for several weeks after vaccination, so for someone who isn't hatching hundreds or thousands at a time and isn't set up for it, the cost and effort is not really feasible. The vaccine that is available is also problematic because it does not prevent the birds from getting the disease, but should protect them from the most serious symptoms, so vaccinated birds can be silent carriers and the virus has the opportunity to mutate inside them because it doesn't kill it's host. There is a school of thought that the more aggressive strains of Marek's which are becoming more prevalent are due to this vaccine allowing this mutation.

I would not bother with the brewers yeast if you are giving a human Vitamin B complex to the bird as that is what the yeast provides. Whilst vitamin B is water soluble and excess can be excreted, it is not a good idea to overdose, even on vitamins.
 
Your feed may certainly be part of the problem. If you are using a grain mix feed rather than a pellet or crumble, there are a number of serious concerns about them, especially if feeding them adlib. As you mention, the powdery fines which tend to contain the minerals like calcium and essential amino acids are often left in the bottom of the feeder and if they have the opportunity, some birds will pick out their favourite components, usually the high carbohydrate grains and leave the healthier protein rich pulses which causes them a dietary imbalance over time that can lead to them becoming obese and suffering reproductive problems like egg binding or prolapse and/or salpingitis and even internal laying. Fat particles can also build up in the liver and cause Fatty Liver Haemorrhagic Syndrome, which can cause a massive rupture of the liver and sudden death in a seemingly healthy bird. Heavier birds like Orpingtons and Sussex are more susceptible to Fatty Liver Disease.

I would also be surprised if your reputable breeder vaccinates for Marek's. The logistics of it make it difficult for a small scale producer because the vaccine only comes in 1000 dose quantity which needs to be kept chilled and once the active ingredients are mixed it has to be used within an hour. Added to that, you have to operate very strict biosecurity of the chicks for several weeks after vaccination, so for someone who isn't hatching hundreds or thousands at a time and isn't set up for it, the cost and effort is not really feasible. The vaccine that is available is also problematic because it does not prevent the birds from getting the disease, but should protect them from the most serious symptoms, so vaccinated birds can be silent carriers and the virus has the opportunity to mutate inside them because it doesn't kill it's host. There is a school of thought that the more aggressive strains of Marek's which are becoming more prevalent are due to this vaccine allowing this mutation.

I would not bother with the brewers yeast if you are giving a human Vitamin B complex to the bird as that is what the yeast provides. Whilst vitamin B is water soluble and excess can be excreted, it is not a good idea to overdose, even on vitamins.
Thanks Rebrascora, I will focus on their diets as I haven’t seen an issue until this week. Local information is scarce. Agriculture supply stores just sell you what will make them most margin. I will up the calcium dose (tums, Rennie) and B complex. Should I switch to pellet from grain?
 
Should I switch to pellet from grain?

Personally I would. There is much less waste with a pellet and they are guaranteed to get a balanced diet. They will almost certainly go on strike if you change their feed suddenly though as they love grains. You might try soaking their grains with some pellets and feed them that in a pan twice a day and put the dry pellets in the feeder, gradually increasing the quantity of pellets as you use up your remaining grains. That way, there is no sudden change which can cause problems. It may take a while for them to get used to the dry pellets but they will usually treat the soaked pellets as a treat and wolf it down. I feed them their wet mash in an old frying pan.
 
If you have your hen separated, she can get by with just a 1/4 to a half of a B Complex tablet crushed onto some egg or yogurt daily. You can also put the whole tablet into water. They only need a little extra if it is riboflavin (B2) deficiency. It should start helping soon if it is B2 deficiency, but the earlier it is treated, the better the chances of recovery. I really hope it is not Mareks.

When my chicken crumbles get a little powdery, I will take some into a separate bowl and add water, so you can wet a fresh bowl of feed daily until you get new feed.

Riboflavin deficiency usually affects both legs, causing chickens to have culed under toes and to walk on their hocks. Mareks also can cause this, and especially when you see it involving only one leg. Here is some reading about riboflavin deficiency:
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/publications/6/diseases-of-poultry/217/vitamin-b2-deficiency/
 
If you have your hen separated, she can get by with just a 1/4 to a half of a B Complex tablet crushed onto some egg or yogurt daily. You can also put the whole tablet into water. They only need a little extra if it is riboflavin (B2) deficiency. It should start helping soon if it is B2 deficiency, but the earlier it is treated, the better the chances of recovery. I really hope it is not Mareks.

When my chicken crumbles get a little powdery, I will take some into a separate bowl and add water, so you can wet a fresh bowl of feed daily until you get new feed.

Riboflavin deficiency usually affects both legs, causing chickens to have culed under toes and to walk on their hocks. Mareks also can cause this, and especially when you see it involving only one leg. Here is some reading about riboflavin deficiency:
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/publications/6/diseases-of-poultry/217/vitamin-b2-deficiency/
I will keep on the B complex and hope. Can i give her Berocca once the fizz wears off? It is very hard to get supplements in Australia. Everything is highly restricted. I will crush pills into some tuna and kale. Hopefully get her strutting before Xmas.
 
From what I have read (i have not used Berocca), people have used it in emergency cases with chickens when it was all they had - with success. However, due to the salt content it should not be used long-term.
Ordinary human b complex vitamins are fine.
 
Do i need to be concerned with egg production? She hasn't layed since shes been down. I think i rread somewhere that all her nutrients will be used for healing not production?
 
Do i need to be concerned with egg production? She hasn't layed since shes been down. I think i rread somewhere that all her nutrients will be used for healing not production?
They can stop laying when they are ill, that's fairly common. It can however also be a sign of a deeper issue. But you said her poop is normal which suggests she is not egg bound- which is good! There are other issues possibly at play but for now I would concentrate on getting vits into her, make sure she is eating and drinking, and make sure her crop is empty each morning!
 
They can stop laying when they are ill, that's fairly common. It can however also be a sign of a deeper issue. But you said her poop is normal which suggests she is not egg bound- which is good! There are other issues possibly at play but for now I would concentrate on getting vits into her, make sure she is eating and drinking, and make sure her crop is empty each morning!
This morning she cant poo properly and her vent is pumping. She is closing her eyes and squeezing down. I have had a digital inspection and i am not sure but i feel something not soft. she is having a soak now.
 

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