My peachicks are dying!

[Yoda]

She has peaCHICKS not adults. I don't want to sound mean or harsh but if she tries to put the dose down the throat and the bird moves and it goes into the lungs what will you do for her? Trefoil, you are telling her to use a paste cause you used it on adults and left out the dosage you use on peachicks. Kathy, you are telling her to squirt 1cc down each birds throat. Wouldn't it be easier to do it the easiest way, add the wormer to the water and let them drink it? What are either of you going to say to her if she tries either one of your replies and the birds drop dead? "I'm sorry" is not going to replace the birds she can lose by those methods. I would be crushed if I went to squirt a dose down the throat and it went wrong and my bird died in my hands cause it drowned in it's medication. I know someone who did that and she said it was no big deal she would hatch another chicken egg. I couldn't so I use safe methods, let the more experienced breeders shoot it down the throat.

My adult peas are given safeguard for 3 days then repeated 14 days later. After another 14 days they are given Ivermectin pour on. That is my worming schedule. The safeguard needs to be repeated in 14 days as any eggs remaining in the birds will hatch and as they do your reworming and it will kill them before they can breed.

 

[Trefoil]

Yoda, I didn't tell her to use paste, because she asked about paste, I told her what was told to me. I couldn't figure out how to get the paste in them so i have never used it. I also pointed out that it was easier to use the water dose for safeguard. Thanks for the information on the 2nd dose of safeguard, I was only using the one and then pour on invermectin. I will point out that if she has the paste and can't get the liquid safeguard, If it was me I certainly would use the paste rather than wait until I could get the liquid. For dosage on the paste, I thought I had specified the dose was for peas, not chicks, if I didn't that was a bad mistake and its a good think someone is watching for that sort of thing. The only reason i even mentioned the paste safeguard is because she had asked about it and been ignored. Its been discussed on this forum before, a search may turn up the discussions. If anyone figures out how to accurately dose with paste, I would be interested, when I tried I just ended up with me and the pea wearing it.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

That is the reason I stress "do not put them on the ground til they are at least 6 months old". It hurts when they pass and you feel hopeless and blame yourself. Yet others will fight and tell you to place them on the ground. I know I lost some when I first started and vowed never to lose another and knock on wood I have not. Now granted what I do works for me and I would recommend my method to everyone. 90% it will work for you but the 10% it won't - don't know why - I think they say they did it my way but I doubt it LOL. It is just like free ranging. The free range system that zazouse has in my opinion cannot be duplicated. My dogs will chase my birds, not everyone has HER trained dogs. So I tell people if you are willing to pay the ultimate price then free range. I personally like mine to much to lose so quickly. Ok I am rambling LMAO!
I do not know about the paste, never used it. I would go for the safeguard goat. Are they eating? I would stick with the wormer in the water cause you can get them to take it easier. If you need any further help just PM me and I will give you my number.

Yoda,,You and I are on the same page with this one,,my peas hatched this summer will not see dirt of ANY kind to stand on until next spring.All the associated health issues with past poultry on the premises and my investment now would be like throwing out a door mat saying "Come on in" Maybe it's the mindset I have now with finally,,finally having 8 seperate colors and the daily cost of feed. With no past health issues proves my method at least from hatch to the following season works with no sudden strange sicknesses or death losses.It works here and I'm not going to change anything,I'll spend a few days building a off ground wire floored pen before putting new peas on dirt,maybe I value them more now?

 

[Yoda]

Yoda, I didn't tell her to use paste, because she asked about paste, I told her what was told to me. I couldn't figure out how to get the paste in them so i have never used it. I also pointed out that it was easier to use the water dose for safeguard. Thanks for the information on the 2nd dose of safeguard, I was only using the one and then pour on invermectin. I will point out that if she has the paste and can't get the liquid safeguard, If it was me I certainly would use the paste rather than wait until I could get the liquid. For dosage on the paste, I thought I had specified the dose was for peas, not chicks, if I didn't that was a bad mistake and its a good think someone is watching for that sort of thing. The only reason i even mentioned the paste safeguard is because she had asked about it and been ignored. Its been discussed on this forum before, a search may turn up the discussions. If anyone figures out how to accurately dose with paste, I would be interested, when I tried I just ended up with me and the pea wearing it.

i didn't mean to upset you. You did tell her if she had the paste on hand to use it. If she gave the birds too much and they died she would no longer has peas. I love reading what others say, that's what makes this place great but when it comes to medication the person giving the advice needs give it correctly otherwise it could be devastating. People with sick birds are here looking for a cure and they will follow the advice given. When that advice actually kills the bird cause it was wrong then the person hears "I'm sorry for your loss" I try to give the easiest solution to the problem. I started a thread about how I raise my birds from egg to adult and asked others to show theirs but seems no one wants to. I thought it would be an educational thread for beginners to learn from. Again, I do not want to hurt felling just stating a fact that I see very commonly around here.

 

[Yoda]

Yoda,,You and I are on the same page with this one,,my peas hatched this summer will not see dirt of ANY kind to stand on until next spring.All the associated health issues with past poultry on the premises and my investment now would be like throwing out a door mat saying "Come on in" Maybe it's the mindset I have now with finally,,finally having 8 seperate colors and the daily cost of feed. With no past health issues proves my method at least from hatch to the following season works with no sudden strange sicknesses or death losses.It works here and I'm not going to change anything,I'll spend a few days building a off ground wire floored pen before putting new peas on dirt,maybe I value them more now?

French, mine see the ground when it is frozen LOL Around January/Feb. Last years 10 birds were let out of the wall cage in January and even though the door was open they still would not venture outside. The went out on their own more towards spring. I still have 3 hens that I have to push out the door cause the girls would rather be inside the shed LOL

 

[ShellP]

Sooooo.....from the beginning:

I need to be giving them the Corid (1 tsp of the powder per gallon of water) as their only source of drinking water for how many days? I've heard now 3, 5 and 7 days.
What do I need to do if the liquid Corid comes in today like it should?
After that, I need to wait ____ days and start the Safeguard (is this a powder, liquid, what?) in their drinking water (only source) for 3 days.
Then, after 14 days, repeat the safeguard for another 3(?) days.

In general, NEVER put them on the ground until the following spring or summer after they hatch. They need to stay in a wire bottom cage/crate/pen until then. Correct?

I'm sorry about all the ivermectin confusion. I have horses too (and I actually know how to take care of them - usually! HAHA), so it won't go to waste!

Also, is it ever safe to have them with chickens???

You guys are the bomb!! I'm totally new at all of this chicken-peafowl stuff. My neighbor got me started on the peas, and the chickens started because I had a baby turkey somebody hatched out and couldn't take care of and gave to me (seems I'm the local animal crazy person) so I got chicks to keep him company. It has grown into a ridiculous obcession since then. And the turkey died too - fluffed up just like the peas are doing now and then died. If I had known, I may have been able to save him too. :'( He was my buddy.

 

[casportpony]

Sooooo.....from the beginning:

I need to be giving them the Corid (1 tsp of the powder per gallon of water) as their only source of drinking water for how many days? I've heard now 3, 5 and 7 days.
What do I need to do if the liquid Corid comes in today like it should?

Liquid Corid - 9.6cc per gallon for five days. If they aren't drinking, weigh them and someone can figure out an oral dose for them.

After that, I need to wait ____ days and start the Safeguard (is this a powder, liquid, what?) in their drinking water (only source) for 3 days.
Then, after 14 days, repeat the safeguard for another 3(?) days.

I would not wait. I give liquid Safeguard orally at the rate of .5cc (1/2cc) per 1kg (1000 grams) with a 1cc syringe. Then again in 10-14 days

In general, NEVER put them on the ground until the following spring or summer after they hatch. They need to stay in a wire bottom cage/crate/pen until then. Correct?

All I know is that the longer they stay off the ground, on wire that chickens have never been on, the better.

I'm sorry about all the ivermectin confusion. I have horses too (and I actually know how to take care of them - usually! HAHA), so it won't go to waste!

I also have horses (16) and don't like to waste wormer, so I use multiple partial tubes on the ones that stand really still, lol.

Also, is it ever safe to have them with chickens???

Not really... Read up on histomoniasis, aka blackhead.

You guys are the bomb!! I'm totally new at all of this chicken-peafowl stuff. My neighbor got me started on the peas, and the chickens started because I had a baby turkey somebody hatched out and couldn't take care of and gave to me (seems I'm the local animal crazy person) so I got chicks to keep him company. It has grown into a ridiculous obcession since then. And the turkey died too - fluffed up just like the peas are doing now and then died. If I had known, I may have been able to save him too. :'( He was my buddy.

Just turkeys and peachicks dying with the same symptoms says hisomoniasis to me. Some will say that they have to have yellow poo, which I saw in just one of mine. My peas and poults that were necropsied, as well as the ones that survived, all had different looking poo, one yellow, some had blood and others had the foamy stuff.

If they do have histomoniasis, Corid isn't going to help, but it won't hurt either. Treatment for histomoniasis is Safeguard and metronidazole (Flagyl) at the rate of 60mg/1kg. You can buy it over the counter as Fishzole (250mg metronidazole tablets), but I haven't seen at at any of stores I go to, so I buy online. You might find it a tropical fish store? One tablet is way too much for a chick, so you'll need to weigh them and do the math. You could also get it in liquid suspenion form from any small animal vet as it's used to treat small animals. Cat rescue places might have some, too. The liquid I have is 50mg/1ml.

Can you take one or both of them to see a vet? Any small animal vet should be able to look at a poo sample and/or give sell you some metonidazole.

-Kathy

 

[ShellP]

Wow. This has gotten overwhelming. I just got off of work and am headed to buy a scale and hopefully liquid safeguard. I've got a call in to a vet to see if he can get the other medication for me. I'm about ready to give up. Anybody want 2 sick peachicks that they could try to save???

What about the Dutch bantam I have that's sick with the exact same symptoms too? What the heck does that mean???

 

[ShellP]

Also, TSC is telling me to use wazene liquid wormer for chickens instead of safeguard for goats. Does that sound right?

 

[casportpony]

Also, TSC is telling me to use wazene liquid wormer for chickens instead of safeguard for goats. Does that sound right?

Safeguard is the wormer of choice to treat histomoniasis. At least six differerent vets have told me to use Safeguard (Fenbendazole). Please get the Safeguard. You can use it with your horses, too.

-Kathy