My Salmon Faverolles Pullet is Black - Help Me Understand the Genetics

[OhZark Biddies]

@ChickieChickieMama

Have you seen these pictures?:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/black-laced-salmon-faverolles-hen.692032/

Not sure that I'd run across that thread before, but the pics are very Vera-ish

 

[ChickieChickieMama]

With something like the lacing or not you'd have to ask yourself if it is lacing where did it come from?
Lacing would mean at least one parent was carrying it. That would mean your bird would be a mix breed.
Then you'd have to ask yourself is it a mixed breed? Everything else looks pure SF so then you'd have to figure what SF features does she have that would carry over if she was a mix and is there any that wouldn't.
Then if it does seem she's a possible mix what kind of laced breed could cross with a SF but not change her features or the wheaton pattern part that is correct?

So, she's a hatchery girl from Ideal Poultry, and from what I've been told the hatcheries often cross without a second thought.

But here's the thing, she has most of the SF qualities, but I would argue her colour alone means that at some point or another, one of her ancestors was stepping out of bounds in the love department. I guess the way it seems to me is what weird genes have slipped in to her makeup....more of a when not if. The question of what breed has mixed in with her lineage is exactly what I'm trying to figure out I guess....unless there is some otger way to explain her non-typical colouring. Some people have said "it just happens" but I don't understand how that is....if it "just happens" isn't that because there's a hidden gene popping up under the right circumstances? Or is this some sort of evolution? Do chicken genes creep? I have no idea...that's why I'm asking here!

Thanks to all of you putting up with me still!

 

[ChickieChickieMama]

No Vera has no blue. But recall that when you mate a blue rooster to a blue hen you get 25% black, 50% blue, and 25% splash. So my thinking was that if the blue birds had black lacing , then the 25% of them that come out black would have the lacing gene also.

I was just theorizing that lacing gene might have found it's way into some lines of salmon faverolles, via the blue salmon faverolles, or more specifically the 25% of the offspring that did no get a copy of the blue gene, and looked like a standard salmon faverolles.

Also I found this concerning the combination of Pg & Ml

http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/mutations1.html#gen_mut_eumeldiluters

Ahhh okay...I totally missed that first hypothesis post, but had seen mention of blue a few times earlier in this thread, and at the same time, I've been commenting on another member's post about their darker Salmon Faverolle erolles, who to me, looks to have blue in her!

Also for your interest, I came across this posting where someone else years ago seemed to think their hen had blue lacing, but alas, they never returned to give an update.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/salmon-faverolle-chick-blue-lacing.976850/

 

[ChickieChickieMama]

@ChickieChickieMama

Have you seen these pictures?:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/black-laced-salmon-faverolles-hen.692032/

Not sure that I'd run across that thread before, but the pics are very Vera-ish

Hahaha I came across that one too when I found the post I just shared with you if the hen with blue lacing!

You're right though...s she looks just like a slightly older Vera!!! I wonder how she looked all grown up....I am so frustrated from all these old posts where the op just disappears!

 

[ChickieChickieMama]

Hehehe....as infuriating as my lack of knowledge and guesswork may be, at least you know I won't be one of those op's who just disappears leaving you with all sorts of questions of what happened in the end.....ya'll are stuck with me now for the long haul!

 

[Shadowfire.vixen]

I don’t know if this applies in this instance, but I do know that on a rare occasion sex linked coloration can turn up in the opposite sex.
I personally have known both a calico and a
Tortoiseshell cat both were males.
By the way thanks to ohzarkbiddes and chickenchickiemama for the laugh. (Chicken geeks vs chicken creeps)

 

[OhZark Biddies]

... at least you know I won't be one of those op's who just disappears leaving you with all sorts of questions of what happened in the end.....

Or do I know that?

In addition to my theory of blue salmon faverolles bringing the pattern gene into the standard faverolles, I have another theory that all the other OPs disappeared when they started asking questions, because Ideal Hatchery sends out their hit squad to silence faverolles truthers... I envision the hit man wearing a giant chicken suit, so he keep an eye out and don't talk to any large strange chickens.

 

[ChickieChickieMama]

Or do I know that?

In addition to my theory of blue salmon faverolles bringing the pattern gene into the standard faverolles, I have another theory that all the other OPs disappeared when they started asking questions, because Ideal Hatchery sends out their hit squad to silence faverolles truthers... I envision the hit man wearing a giant chicken suit, so he keep an eye out and don't talk to any large strange chickens.

Ha! The Chicken Man can't get me down! I have a whole network underground (those chickens sure can dig!)...and all of this Project Vera intelligence has a centrsl nest in the Cloud. I can not be silenced--oh gawd...here they come!

You were right, you were right about everything!! Everything that is, except one thing................

It wasn't a chicken that came for me....it was.....an egg!

 

[OhZark Biddies]

Well now we know which came first.. the egg! So even if the question of Vera's extra special coloring is never solved, we've at least resolved that old chicken or egg question!

 

[The Moonshiner]

So, she's a hatchery girl from Ideal Poultry, and from what I've been told the hatcheries often cross without a second thought.

I don't believe this to be true in the least.
I believe they sell poor quality birds in a lot of cases but I don't believe hatcheries sell cross breeds as purebreeds.
I mean why would they? It takes the same time, money, effort etc etc to breed pure breeds as it does crosses so what would be the purpose or advantage of doing so?
Hatcheries are in the business of selling chicks and making a profit. That includes staying in business and continuing to make money. If that's what you did for a living would you sell a bunch of crosses and think that was in your best interest to stay in business?