Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Fire Ant Farm]

Correct. I'd rather not use muff here as that's usually used for beard/muffs. Perhaps bowtie vs bib? As in baby bib. I've been trying to think of descriptive terms for the visual difference between single/double het/dom dose.

BTW while the difference is most immediate on the neck, there are other signs even on a newly hatched chick. The homs will have naked areas on the face by the eyes while the hets have fully fuzzy faces. Homs also have larger naked areas on their bodies.. most easily seen when the chicks are still wet.. (dry)fluff and feathers does a very surprising job at covering up the naked body areas.

There is a monkey wrench though... pea comb has the side effect of reducing overall feathering. Not noticeable on most birds. However it can be observed when combined with NN- heterozyous pea on a heterozygous NN will have the naked areas around the face, beak and a smaller bowtie(usually somewhere in between a bowtie and bib) and often rather large parallel naked areas on back(again, dried fluff and feathers hide this well). They can fool one into thinking they are homozygous NN.. Also it is rather easy to hit on total clean necks on pea combed birds. I don't think it's possible to tell with these if they are truly clean necked or merely a side effect of pea comb.

Back to single comb NN.. as far as I know, nobody knows why some are totally clean necked.

My first many years in the NN hobby, I never had or saw a clean neck. Really wanted to see a total clean neck so I devoted a single line of hatchery turkens to the sole purpose of hitting on clean necks. No success after several generations.. the closest was some with a single feather on each side of neck.

Then I did egg trade with someone- the chicks were very obviously from a mixed flock, as there were crests, leg feathers, all sorts of combs etc. To my surprise... there were some totally clean necks- all happened to be pullets though so I did not get to do clean neck x clean neck, this group threw some chicks with clean necks but always in low numbers. None of the crosses of these to other "never had clean neck" lines produced any clean necks. Only in later generations did some clean necks show up, also in low numbers.. typical results were something like 2 fuzzies, 5 bibbed, 5 bowtie, 1 total clean neck... or 9 bibbed, 7 bowtie, 1 clean neck.

btw the lines that never threw clean necks started to produce some clean necks after being crossed with this group. Still have not done clean neck bred to clean neck, it's not of strong interest to me plus by chance it just never happened for a cock/hen with this trait to present at the same time in a project I was actively pursuing.

It seems to point towards something recessive and separate from NN gene and needing to be on a homozygous NN to show itself.

This is very helpful, and totally fascinating... I love the puzzle of it!

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[Fire Ant Farm]

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[draye]

At first I was planning to keep the w/b one, but he looks a lot like my EE rooster, and I didn't want both my roosters to look the same.

Yes, I do plan to cross my NN rooster with my EE's, Sexlinks (just for fun), and maybe my GLW's and Mixes as well.

Interesting about the small bow tie meaning double copys of NN genes, and large bow tie meaning single copy......the red rooster I'm planning to keep has a very large bowtie, while the white/b roo has a much smaller bow tie, as does my hen, and the small cockerel. Does that mean he won't throw NN chicks when crossed with another breed? When it comes to NN genetics my knowledge is very limited.

Are those totally naked chickens in your avatar? Interesting.

The rooster being a NN yes you should get sine with naked necks. Something like 1/4 if them. The numbers can vary a bit on small hatches.

I've do one before only had 2 hens with him, nn rooster, they weren't NN I think I gathered 15-16 eggs, 13 if I remember correctly, hatched, three of them had NN. So you'll get some.

 

[Kassaundra]

This has absolutely nothing to do w/ NN, but thought some might have some ideas

I have quite an intriguing mystery. This post is completely honest and serious, not a joke. There has been an interesting rock in my back yard path for some time. I knew it was some form of petrified wood from what I could see exposed and have been meaning to dig it the rest of the way out and check it out for some time, well I finally got around to it yesterday. It is rock, it is cool to the touch and feels like rock and is hard and heavy like rock. By it's shape we wer...e thinking it is petrified branch or root or bone or maybe even poop. Upon cleaning it up (washing the dirt off) we noticed the metallic looking areas w/ vigorous scratching it can be flaked off, but not easily. Does anyone have a clue????? Do not post ideas until you have looked at ALL THE PICTURES, seriously there is an even bigger mystery in the pics. Feel free to share this post especially if you have some rock hound friends, we are fascinated and would like to know a real answer.

This side was the most exposed has less metallic but the lighter areas are really metallic

This side really made us think bone

This was the most buried and has the most metallic

One end, no real tree rings are obvious

The other end, no rings here either, but definitely a bone look except .............................................

Look closely, do you see it

There are letters in the rock!!!!!!!!

This is just to show size.

 

[ochochicas]

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Originally Posted by Kev

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There is a monkey wrench though... pea comb has the side effect of reducing overall feathering. Not noticeable on most birds. However it can be observed when combined with NN- heterozyous pea on a heterozygous NN will have the naked areas around the face, beak and a smaller bowtie(usually somewhere in between a bowtie and bib) and often rather large parallel naked areas on back(again, dried fluff and feathers hide this well). They can fool one into thinking they are homozygous NN.. Also it is rather easy to hit on total clean necks on pea combed birds. I don't think it's possible to tell with these if they are truly clean necked or merely a side effect of pea comb.
That is very interesting. My Nn chicks just hatched and there were a couple that I thought were mutants. When they were wet their backs looked totally naked as well as their bellies. When they dried they looked fine, thankfully! They have pea combs and also seem to have less feathers on their faces. They are cute nonetheless. I will have to get some pictures. I just went and checked their necks. Everyone has a huge bow tie. They are so adorable. Is anyone else having trouble posting?

 

[flower]

Kass I live in the petrified forest, not the National Park but this entire area is Painted Desert and Petrified Forest as in I find little pieces while working in the garden. When I first looked at your pictures I thought the color was not typical. Now there is great variety of color but the pale tan is not one that I have seen. However the cross cut section does indeed look like petrified wood which is one type of quartz as is many different gemstones including opal. Quartz is the second most common mineral on the planet.
May the quartz be with you ????

 

[ochochicas]

Super funny post Flower!

I would give you an ovation or a smilie or something fun, but none of my functions are work!

 

[Kassaundra]

Kass I live in the petrified forest, not the National Park but this entire area is Painted Desert and Petrified Forest as in I find little pieces while working in the garden. When I first looked at your pictures I thought the color was not typical. Now there is great variety of color but the pale tan is not one that I have seen. However the cross cut section does indeed look like petrified wood which is one type of quartz as is many different gemstones including opal. Quartz is the second most common mineral on the planet.
May the quartz be with you ????

Don't think this is natural, b/c of the second to last picture.

 

[draye]

Kass
I really can't tell what it is or could have been. I put stuff like this down to unsolvable mysteries.

It is quite interesting though.

 

[draye]

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