Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

I wasn't until you said something some time back, which made me think I really can't pursue both and get nice results, and if I have to eliminate one it would be mottled for sure.

Great. Long time ago I was all set on breeding for a FM barred, was getting frustrated why all those FM did not also have barring- what bad luck.... until reading about problems between FM and barring ahhhh...

 

[Kev]

thank you. I have BCM and buff orpington males. what colours can I get from their crosses? I also have a mostly red araucana boy but I don't want to breed these girls with him. I plan to cross him with a salmon faverolles. what colour would I get, this is a cockerel:



btw, I made another shade for my chickens.

Were you asking about cross of BCM and buff orp roo? Usually the chicks turn out black/black with brown faces and in this cross they can feather out black but with quite a lot of buff/brown coloring all over their head/necks, down the breast, probably the wings and backs too. Some can be beautiful with the brown making sort of a pencilled pattern.. but some to me look "mutt-y" if that makes sense.

BCM over partridge- also all black/black brown faced chicks.. much less brown/red coloring than buff crosses. Basically same pattern as the black sex links except replace the white markings with brown. Usually a laced look on the necks, edging on breast feathers... some have less or more markings on the back.

Buff over partridge- hard to guess chick color as there are several different ways to make buff.. could be cream chicks or striped chicks and they basically grow up a dark buff color with some black markings on their back and tails. Actually some will look close to the araucana roo in color..

Araucana bred to salmon faverolles- that is a sex linked pairing due to silver in the faverolles. The boys will be genetically half gold half silver, some may get the "Golden" color like this roo... the hackles would be same color as his yellow saddle feathers:



Some of the boys may be whiter- looking similar to silver duckwing, some kind of brassy(not so bright golden yellow.. more like a flat yellow maybe?) Their breasts probably will have a lot more white spotting than my roo or maybe even mostly white/buff-ish.

The pullets would all be similarly colored to the araucana roo with more black markings over their backs.

It may be possible your araucana roo is not pure for what makes him colored like that, basically it may be possible for him to throw pullets the same color as your partridge girls.

 

[Kassaundra]

Great. Long time ago I was all set on breeding for a FM barred, was getting frustrated why all those FM did not also have barring- what bad luck.... until reading about problems between FM and barring ahhhh...

I have a nice FM boy, not huge, but nice and dark and a couple of good fm (color wise) girls. My boy (and most of my good dark girls) are Nana. Most are birchen (no surprise there) and a few w/ light feathers. I think by this fall / winter I'll be set to do the turnover. It will mean culling (in the most final sense) several girls, don't know why that is so hard for me!

 

[Kev]

I have a nice FM boy, not huge, but nice and dark and a couple of good fm (color wise) girls. My boy (and most of my good dark girls) are Nana. Most are birchen (no surprise there) and a few w/ light feathers. I think by this fall / winter I'll be set to do the turnover. It will mean culling (in the most final sense) several girls, don't know why that is so hard for me!

That seems to be a problem going around- the best FM being Nana... lol I swear there is also some kind of connection between dark FM and rose comb in my flock.. it(rose) gets to float down the generations because of that. Is that the same dark cockerel you posted a bit ago? If so, glad you kept him... he was a keeper for sure,

Don't find turnovers very fun either, unfortunately a necessity with genetics projects. It helps some that in my opinion the old hens are the best tasting ones.. so much flavor.

 

[Phill98]

@Kev and @Kassaundra are you saying that it is imspossible to get a mottled fm bird?!?

 

[Kassaundra]

@Kev and @Kassaundra are you saying that it is imspossible to get a mottled fm bird?!?

Not likely to get a good dark fm

 

[Kassaundra]

That seems to be a problem going around- the best FM being Nana... lol I swear there is also some kind of connection between dark FM and rose comb in my flock.. it(rose) gets to float down the generations because of that. Is that the same dark cockerel you posted a bit ago? If so, glad you kept him... he was a keeper for sure,

Don't find turnovers very fun either, unfortunately a necessity with genetics projects. It helps some that in my opinion the old hens are the best tasting ones.. so much flavor.

Yes, I kept Vader, he is second fiddle to Pie though, but Pie isn't going to make the cut to the FM flock.

 

[Kev]

@Kev and @Kassaundra are you saying that it is imspossible to get a mottled fm bird?!?

Right. At least not a really dark skin and not very consistently.

It's because mottling also affects skin and leg pigmentation. It's why the legs are usually either clear or mottled. if an Ancona did not have mottling it would have jet black legs....

it is also the reason mottling is rather common addition to yellow or white legged solid whites- to clear up any color off the feathers and legs.

 

[Kev]

Yes, I kept Vader, he is second fiddle to Pie though, but Pie isn't going to make the cut to the FM flock.

Because of size?

 

[Kassaundra]

Because of size?

No b/c he is mottled (at least some version of mottled / barred)