Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[draye]

Took my grandsons a rooster and three hens today. Theirs got destroyed here while back by a dog from a neighbor. Dog had been taken care of.

I sent him my Golden Partridge rooster and obe hen that was fully feathered. Also sent him a smallish gold black hen along with probably the biggest hen I had. Hated losing her but she was constantly wanting to set. I have several daughters if hers from the last hatch I dibw. I know they're hers just by tre size if them and also the coloring.

After taking those to them I did a count. I know you're not supposed to really count your chickens, so the six roosters left don't count. With the young Pullet now at 18 weeks and a bit better I'm counting them now as hens. I have 51 hens. How to divide them up between the roosters is going to be hard. Not all my breeding runs will hold the same amount of hens per run.

I'm thinking about doing it by color but it probably still will give a couple of the roosters more than 10 hens each.

Top all that off I've got 100 eggs in the incubator. I'm guessing that not all are fertile but even if half of them are and that many hatch, I'm guessing at least 3/8 of them will be pullets. Looks like I'll have to add another run and shelter somewhere and somehow.

Going to try to sell at least half of what hatch and will probably send 10 to 12 babies yo my grandsons. Going to try to add another 12 to 15 hens from this hatch.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Took my grandsons a rooster and three hens today. Theirs got destroyed here while back by a dog from a neighbor. Dog had been taken care of.

I sent him my Golden Partridge rooster and obe hen that was fully feathered. Also sent him a smallish gold black hen along with probably the biggest hen I had. Hated losing her but she was constantly wanting to set. I have several daughters if hers from the last hatch I dibw. I know they're hers just by tre size if them and also the coloring.

After taking those to them I did a count. I know you're not supposed to really count your chickens, so the six roosters left don't count. With the young Pullet now at 18 weeks and a bit better I'm counting them now as hens. I have 51 hens. How to divide them up between the roosters is going to be hard. Not all my breeding runs will hold the same amount of hens per run.

I'm thinking about doing it by color but it probably still will give a couple of the roosters more than 10 hens each.

Top all that off I've got 100 eggs in the incubator. I'm guessing that not all are fertile but even if half of them are and that many hatch, I'm guessing at least 3/8 of them will be pullets. Looks like I'll have to add another run and shelter somewhere and somehow.

Going to try to sell at least half of what hatch and will probably send 10 to 12 babies yo my grandsons. Going to try to add another 12 to 15 hens from this hatch.

I don't have as many as you do (yet), but I have the same issue of needing to figure out how many pullets per rooster/cockerel and for what purpose, etc. It makes my head hurt...

 

[Kev]

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barred plus mottle.

 

[Kev]

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Regarding Arbequina, per the Eight Acres website, this is how they construct their OEs: F1 was Blue or Black Copper Marans x Welsummer, then the hens from this cross were bred to Wheaten Ameraucana rooster. Then THESE offspring (hens) were covered by a Splash Copper Marans Rooster (to darken the olive color). So maybe the Welsummer? (I don't know their genetics...) Regardless, she lays the most GORGEOUS olive egg ever...

Regarding Goodwin, I got him as a "bonus" chick - she wasn't actually really offering them for sale, as she just had them on hand to work on a project and I had expressed interest in passing. She now has Isabel Ameraucanas (Lavender Wheaten Ameraucanas) available this year (which was presumably her project), so maybe (just maybe) he could have been an oops within that project? (No duckwing on him, as you said before, but maybe something coming through?) Like I said, he was a bonus chick, and there wasn't any guarantee of his purity (which was fine by me).

So much fun to think about!

(If I didn't already have so many chicks coming in February, I would have incubated the CL pullets' eggs now that Monkey is with them - but I have had to exercise restraint. Maybe later...)

- Ant Farm

Thanks for excellent summary of Arbequina's ancestry. Welsummers definitely are e+ (and most think also Mh, not important here but it explains why they don't quite look exactly like a clean e+)

That chick is too strongly chimpunk marked to be a typical eWh/e+ (often a cream or pale reddish with weak and partial striping on back). It's "confusing" if Goodwin was E/eWh or ER/eWh.. Arbequina is the easy part- this chick would be proof she got e+ from her welsummer ancestry.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

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Regarding Arbequina, per the Eight Acres website, this is how they construct their OEs: F1 was Blue or Black Copper Marans x Welsummer, then the hens from this cross were bred to Wheaten Ameraucana rooster. Then THESE offspring (hens) were covered by a Splash Copper Marans Rooster (to darken the olive color). So maybe the Welsummer? (I don't know their genetics...) Regardless, she lays the most GORGEOUS olive egg ever...

Regarding Goodwin, I got him as a "bonus" chick - she wasn't actually really offering them for sale, as she just had them on hand to work on a project and I had expressed interest in passing. She now has Isabel Ameraucanas (Lavender Wheaten Ameraucanas) available this year (which was presumably her project), so maybe (just maybe) he could have been an oops within that project? (No duckwing on him, as you said before, but maybe something coming through?) Like I said, he was a bonus chick, and there wasn't any guarantee of his purity (which was fine by me).

So much fun to think about!

(If I didn't already have so many chicks coming in February, I would have incubated the CL pullets' eggs now that Monkey is with them - but I have had to exercise restraint. Maybe later...)

- Ant Farm

Thanks for excellent summary of Arbequina's ancestry. Welsummers definitely are e+ (and most think also Mh, not important here but it explains why they don't quite look exactly like a clean e+)

That chick is too strongly chimpunk marked to be a typical eWh/e+ (often a cream or pale reddish with weak and partial striping on back). It's "confusing" if Goodwin was E/eWh or ER/eWh.. Arbequina is the easy part- this chick would be proof she got e+ from her welsummer ancestry.

I guess we'll see how they feather out. I love the mystery!!!

 

[Beer can]

barred plus mottle.

The whole gene thing is pretty much greek to me. I would think breeding them two you'd get the same...though with some bushy heads lol. I read your posts and don't know how you keep it all together. I understand the black blue splash odds pretty easy, all the rest...
Those aloha naked necks so cool but not something I'm interested in at this time.
Right now I'm hoping white naked neck cock to white CX will give me white? Yes? No?
Also do not plan on crossing my white giant's to anything, the white on them is recessive? I had planned on bringing in some good black genes, maybe not a good idea for a small flock? I read on the national jersey giant club of someone that did this, certain percentage comes back white. I don't want to waste time. I have access to quality blacks nearby, no whites. Should I stick to white if it's going to take yrs to get them back?

 

[I Love Layers]

Could any of you post pictures of your NN eggs?

 

[DesertChic]

Could any of you post pictures of your NN eggs?

The small white ones in the middle are from my Silkie, and the three tinted ones on the top right are from one of my Australorps. The rest were all from my NNs - green, brown, blue/green, brown.

 

[chickengr]

Do you have her eggs in the incubator

she was too young, laid 3 or 4 eggs only.

 

[Kev]

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Not sure if I'm reading you right- the roo is barred plus mottle- white tips on bunch of his feathers is a clue for mottle being present. That combination is highly variable with a lot of eye catching examples. The hen is a normal silver lace(polish). Lacing is pretty complicated genetically and it quickly falls apart if not pure for any of the needed genes.. and this is complicated, the rooster may have a gene for a certain kind of black that does not allow much 'patterning(as in lacing, pencilling etc)' to show through, resulting in babies that are all or mainly black. If it has the other kind of black, it can allow for a lot more color to show through... trust me, this took me a while to understand lol

Right now I'm hoping white naked neck cock to white CX will give me white? Yes? No?
Also do not plan on crossing my white giant's to anything, the white on them is recessive? I had planned on bringing in some good black genes, maybe not a good idea for a small flock? I read on the national jersey giant club of someone that did this, certain percentage comes back white. I don't want to waste time. I have access to quality blacks nearby, no whites. Should I stick to white if it's going to take yrs to get them back?

Yes white NN to white CX should be either all or nearly all white. white cx always have dominant white. However, not all white cx are pure for dominant white.. probably has to do with how some lines are crossed before the final product- the cx broiler.

btw almost all cx are solid black chickens.. with the dominant white turning the black to white. a huge majority of white cx are also barred. It helps with making the skin and legs a cleaner yellow for the US market.

White giants I believe are recessive- if you hear of them popping out of blacks, that is how recessive works.

Basically, for the cleanest whites, good solid deep blacks are the best, especially so for dominant whites, because dominant white has strong effect on black pigments but weakly so on red/gold pigments.

Recessive white covers up both red and black pigments, but sometimes the red will slightly bleed through, making the bird look off-white or look like it just took a good deep dust bath rather than sparkly white. You avoid this potential problem by crossing with solid blacks...

So if you are wanting to improve the white giants and have an excellent black giant that would add improvements you want, go right ahead.

Pure black bred with rec. white= all blacks, carrying recessive white. You can either or do both:

Breed the cross back to a white= half whites and half blacks(all rec. white carriers)

or breed the siblings together and get 25% whites with the rest being blacks.. most will be white carriers but no real way to tell which is which.

There is a tiny chance the black you picked out is a white carrier- it floats around in a lot of black stocks it seems. In that case, you would get half white chicks right away but best not to count on it..

by the way, once you get whites and breed them with whites, it will breed true even if the parents were black.

by the way these are result of cx bred with a brown NN hen(she did not have recessive white for sure):





These bred together gave:



Remember the NN hen was brown. Your NN being white should keep the percentages of white even higher than mine. btw the grey chick in lower right is a recessive white with silver.. some cx lines have that, it is a good thing because it helps stop brassiness on whites.