Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Egg Snatcher]

Not sure if this is the right place for this- if not let me know please

I am fairly new to the naked neck variety/breed. I currently have some silkie satin showgirls and silkie feathered showgirls. I think only one, maybe two of my birds are full NN, all the rest have bowties.

I am having trouble sexing them. I have a few that I am certain are Cockerels. These birds are new to me, someone else grew them out, and they came to me a group of 16. There is one that I am certain is a pullet, and three that I am certain are Cockerels. But there are a few that have decent (not huge but definitely bigger then what I would expect for a pullet of another breed) sized combs, and no wattles or very small wattle growth, especially compared to the ones that are obviously male. Is this typical of this variety, that pullets have bigger combs?? or do I have a whole lot of roosters?

Rooster should have the bigger combs. Pictures will help.

 

[Egg Snatcher]

So, I've been observing my flocks and pondering on what direction I am going to take my breeding plans and day dreaming about the possibilities with some fun color projects.

Yesterday, when I was in my Ermine Ameraucana pen, one of my black satin showgirls followed me in. Which got me to thinking. Ermine pens goes something like this- Black, dominant white, and Ermine- you can get ermine from breeding black to dominate white or any combination of those three colors as long as you don't pair black to black or D.white to D.White-

So when she followed me in, of course , my very next though was- "Hmm....I wonder what a NN, melanistic, ermine satin showgirl would like?" Then immediately after that I also thought -" what about a silkied ermine showgirl or a frizzled satin or a frizzled silkied ermine showgirl?" Lol- I'm sure it obvious where this is going! Then I also thought- how cool they would also be Easter eggers! Lol


So now I'm pondering and planning. I like dark skinned NN birds, so I think the first leg of my project would be to breed Ermine satin and silkied silkies and achieve the ermine color on the silkies first, with black skin, and then I would breed in the melanistic Nn . I am also considering doing this in porcelain MF/confetti and a lavender ermine, maybe a chocolate.

Ermine genetically is the same as breeding paint. It is suspected though that other genes play a role in allowing more black to show through, so if I breed in an Ermine who already possess those extra melanizers then I should in theory be able to over that.

Would love to hear everyone's opinions on this possible project and any advice or tips that maybe I haven't thought of yet

That sound cool! I would definitely follow along on that project Never heard of Ermine but I just looked it up and it’s a beautiful color! I also love the fibro birds with naked necks. I am currently working on Silkie Millie Fleur D’Uccles.

 

[chickengr]

Not sure if this is the right place for this- if not let me know please

I am fairly new to the naked neck variety/breed. I currently have some silkie satin showgirls and silkie feathered showgirls. I think only one, maybe two of my birds are full NN, all the rest have bowties.

I am having trouble sexing them. I have a few that I am certain are Cockerels. These birds are new to me, someone else grew them out, and they came to me a group of 16. There is one that I am certain is a pullet, and three that I am certain are Cockerels. But there are a few that have decent (not huge but definitely bigger then what I would expect for a pullet of another breed) sized combs, and no wattles or very small wattle growth, especially compared to the ones that are obviously male. Is this typical of this variety, that pullets have bigger combs?? or do I have a whole lot of roosters?

some NN pullets do have huge combs. but as they haven't been bred to sop there is no rule.

 

[chickengr]

So, I've been observing my flocks and pondering on what direction I am going to take my breeding plans and day dreaming about the possibilities with some fun color projects.

Yesterday, when I was in my Ermine Ameraucana pen, one of my black satin showgirls followed me in. Which got me to thinking. Ermine pens goes something like this- Black, dominant white, and Ermine- you can get ermine from breeding black to dominate white or any combination of those three colors as long as you don't pair black to black or D.white to D.White-

So when she followed me in, of course , my very next though was- "Hmm....I wonder what a NN, melanistic, ermine satin showgirl would like?" Then immediately after that I also thought -" what about a silkied ermine showgirl or a frizzled satin or a frizzled silkied ermine showgirl?" Lol- I'm sure it obvious where this is going! Then I also thought- how cool they would also be Easter eggers! Lol


So now I'm pondering and planning. I like dark skinned NN birds, so I think the first leg of my project would be to breed Ermine satin and silkied silkies and achieve the ermine color on the silkies first, with black skin, and then I would breed in the melanistic Nn . I am also considering doing this in porcelain MF/confetti and a lavender ermine, maybe a chocolate.

Ermine genetically is the same as breeding paint. It is suspected though that other genes play a role in allowing more black to show through, so if I breed in an Ermine who already possess those extra melanizers then I should in theory be able to over that.

Would love to hear everyone's opinions on this possible project and any advice or tips that maybe I haven't thought of yet

sounds like fun project. unfortunatelly I know nothing about genetics to help.

 

[RememberTheWay]

That sound cool! I would definitely follow along on that project Never heard of Ermine but I just looked it up and it’s a beautiful color! I also love the fibro birds with naked necks. I am currently working on Silkie Millie Fleur D’Uccles.

I am considering doing a porcelain MF project with satin silkies myself. I love the way they they look with regular feathers and frizzled

 

[RememberTheWay]

Rooster should have the bigger combs. Pictures will help.

Bird 1

I'm thinking pullet? But honestly have no clue! Lol I'll post the others in subsequent comments

 

[RememberTheWay]

Rooster should have the bigger combs. Pictures will help.

Bird #2
Also thinking pullet- bc of the no wattles mainly, just like the first- BUT man Everytime I look at that comb, I think maybe it's a cockerel?

 

[RememberTheWay]

Rooster should have the bigger combs. Pictures will help.

Bird #3
Rooster? Pretty sure I can see pointy hackle/saddle feathers on this one too

 

[RememberTheWay]

Rooster should have the bigger combs. Pictures will help.

#4

Rooster? Maybe? BTW- It was raining the day these photos were taken so the streamer like feathers don't usually look like that, they are wet and clumped together

 

[RememberTheWay]

Do you have a project thread

That sound cool! I would definitely follow along on that project Never heard of Ermine but I just looked it up and it’s a beautiful color! I also love the fibro birds with naked necks. I am currently working on Silkie Millie Fleur D’Uccles.

For your MF color project?