Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

Wow, however did you manage to guess that?

Yep, the lavender came from a lavender Modern Game bantam roo. Lucky find amongst the chicks at a feed store. He is handsome! btw that lav MGB was bred with bantam cuckoo NN hens. That's how the barring got passed down.. was not on purpose, those were the only bantam hens I had at the time. The hens were carriers of recessive white, so there is a chance it will show up again.

Christie Rhae

Naked neck is semi dominant. Will show up in a cross with non- naked neck. Semi, because there is a visual difference between those not pure and pure for the naked neck trait. The major sign is size of the bowtie on front of neck- pures have either a tiny one with few feathers or completely bare neck. Aside from the trait, there is a breed, either called Naked Neck or Transylvanian Naked Neck. Basically, a typical dual purpose body type, clean yellow legs and a single comb. There are other breeds with naked necks, at this time they are still uncommon or not well known in US. Malagches is one- oriental type. Congrats on your new babies!


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[Kev]

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here are some photos of 'Taco', my neighbor wants her so she will be getting a new home soon. I got her from Cackle Hatchery
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/88419_sany0007.jpg
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/88419_sany0018.jpg

She is beautiful! and thanks for the info on her too.

 

[Kev]

I seem to recall there's a brown or red production layer hen with white on tail/hackles in your flock? If this recollection is correct or there's another white chicken- especially leghorn cross or mix, would place bets on him(Blondie) having Dominant White.

Dominant White is pretty good at stopping black pigments from showing up. Putting DW on a black chicken will 'make' it white. Often, birds with only one dose of DW will have a few small black spots, those usually disappear if the bird is pure for DW.

DW is not very good at stopping red/gold pigments, as a result crosses with the likes of RIR will give red/brown chickens with white on tails and hackles. The black on tails and hackles have been 'stopped' by DW but it could not do much to the red on body.

Mentioning all this because your Blondie could be a cross of something with DW with a black chicken- your NN are all black, so... (that's another clue- to get splash, the bird had to inherit two copies of blue.. your brahma crosses were not old enough to be parents of Blondie, right?) It is very common for colored bird crosses with black to show some color leakage. Roosters often have a black body, with color leaking on the pyle zones (hackles, saddles, wing bow). I think Blondie is this, with DW blocking his black body color & he will get a lot more brown/red on his back as he matures. Doesn't your brahma cross boy have some red on him? It's the same concept except replace the blue with white for Blondie- blue gene changes black pigment to blue..

Breeding Blondie with the big blue lasses will give you an interesting variety of colors-whites, blues, blacks... remind me what color was the brahma parent? Blue partridge? If that's correct, you will start to see partridge-like chicks too, also in normal color, blue, DW(lots more brown on body with white detailing), some with both blue and DW.

If Blondie really is DW, you could easily make white NN or white NN with horns, as your NN and Lafleches are solid blacks. If this turns out to be a goal, will need to do some selection on offspring not leaking any color.

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[pgpoultry]

Thank you, as always, Kev.
I'm not sure as to whether Blondie has Mort (pure black NN with no bow tie asleep on the right in the picture below ) and a Warren (brown production hen) or Treacle (black NN hen with no bow tie) with this for a father

Huge Gordon (NN x Blue Partridge Brahma) could be the father as he has been very free with his affections ever since he was about 12 weeks old, and he can run VERY fast. Gordon has lots of red and orange in his saddle feathers and on his head.

I did have a lovely big green eyed Splash Brahma boy, but I lost him about 3 months ago (cancer). He he has left quite a few offspring including my Blue Partridge Brahma roo. ( and ,as Blondie has the same green eyes, I think that his grandfather or great grandfather must have been the Splash Brahma).

It will be interesting to see what turns out.....I'll try to be a bit more scientific than at present where they just all run around together and will try specific hens with specific roos. (My broody Brahma girls will, no doubt, be up for mothering some and I have a 20 egg incubator).

There's one thing to be said about Naked Necks....we'll never get bored with the variations.

Anybody got any Lavender NN? I love that colour.

 

[catsew]

Did you guys have any guesses yet whether my John Jr is a boy or girl? It doesn't really matter at this point, but compared to his brothers it seems like a girl. I'm just trying to make some future plans with the roosters. If they're all roosters we're ok til spring, if not we need to start eating.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

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Kind of has a girly face, but do I see pointy saddle feathers in that second pic?

 

[Kev]

I'd have guessed the same- either Mort x Warren(if her tail is white) or Big Blonde x Treacle.

So Gordon was an early bloomer.. Blondie looks too clean and white for a splash plus having clean legs and a single comb kind of makes me want to rule out Gordon, but it's not a total impossibility. If you happen to breed Blondie with any black hen and the result are 100% blue offspring, it would be proof he is a splash & make stronger case for Gordon being the father. If you get even a single black/normal colored(brown chick with black tail) chick from Blondie and Jezobel, it would be proof he's not splash.

One more paternity test detail: leg color. I noticed Blondie and Big Blonde have white legs. do your black NN have yellow skin or soles(soles is one way to check if a black legged chicken is yellow or white skinned)? I can't remember if brahmas are yellow skinned(yellow legs is a hint for this).. if your brahmas have yellow legs plus the NN have yellow soles, it would be a very strong case for Big Blonde being the father as yellow skin is recessive to white skin. If the NN or brahmas have white skin/soles, using this as proof goes out of the window....

There isn't much information on eye color genetics.. no clue at all about how green eye color works. Seems to be dominant with how often it shows up & in crosses, apparently...

Knock Kneed Hen has a lavender NN, here's a picture when he was still with me:

Thought he was regular lavender, however he turned out cuckoo lavender...! It's a nice color, think a lavender NN with yellow legs would be quite nice..?





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[Kev]

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That's a nice red color! I agree- looks a bit ambiguous. Part the feathers on back and see at what type feathers are emerging from pin feathers. If a boy, there will be some super glossy(kind of looks like how water or glass shines) and very pointy feathers showing from the pin feathers.

I've had large NN chicks that looked the opposite of their sex early on- girls with big early combs, boys with nothing, not even pink tint to combs/wattles until well later. On these I just part the feathers on their backs and wing bows around the same age to look at what's emerging from their pin feathers.

 

[catsew]

I don't know if I'm talented enough to tell the difference if a growing feather is pointy or round.
My other 2 that are roosters, the one has the long yellow(gold?) feathers growing in and I'm still not convinced they're real.

 

[flower]

Since my bantam NN feathered out, I assumed that Sparky was male due to pointed feathers whereas his hatch mate Ms Roja had rounded feathers. She is laying pretty eggs so there is not doubt about her but I am not sure about Sparky. His feathers now look less pointed and other than his shrill schreek there is nothing that says male

She is larger but the breeder is trying to raise bantam NN according to colors so I do not know the parents. Here they are together. sort of: Any comments will be appreciated.