Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[NJchixs]

Hello everyone. I just hatched out two NN Olive Eggers today. I wasn't expecting them and actually thought something was wrong with the chick at first. Lol. Their momma was a NN which lays green eggs and their daddy is a FBCM. I got these eggs from another BYC member. I took a few pics sorry the quality isn't that great. When I have them all out I'll take better ones. Has anyone had this type of combo? It has feathered legs, and copper highlights. Very cute.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Aaaaawe! Too cute! Congratulations!
I don't have that combination here (no Marans ((yet)), but they should be beautiful!

 

[Flowerbh]

I was just told she is a "white pearl." I'm new to all of this so I don't know if she is a leghorn. She is not a big girl. Yes, the egg is white and it was left by the feeder.

It probably belongs to the hen with the white earliness.

 

[Flowerbh]

Earlobes. Dumb autocorrect.

 

[froggiesheins]

A few pics of the crew at 18 days old My husband calls this one Buzz, she is my best shot at a Sc carrier and I'm really hoping for a girl What do you think Sc carrier? This ones skin is so transluescent and feather color so faded looking it is almost like a porcelien chicken This is one of about 3 that may be getting top knots, this one was a light chipmunk when it hatched never thought it would get this dark This ones color is constantly changing.

WOW! I love all the purty colors and variety with your little "buzzards" ....SO CUTE!! LOL

 

[deb516]

just got this little girl, are first nn ever!! going to be exciting watching her grown and to learn about her. We got her from a bin at our local farm store.

 

[SigningChickens]

I found two eggs today and I still don't know if my turken laid one. Do either of these look like they came from her?

 

[NewToFarming]

Hey all! I hope everyone is doing well! I thought I would post some pictures of the old and new guys and gals here.

The old gals. Annie and Fannie



The little dude



One of the newest NN's



Rambo



Another little new one



Bobbles and his little silkie buddy



Tunie, she is broody right now



Sargent



And 3 more little ones

 

[Kev]

Basically this is the definitions I've learned though I suppose it is reptile specific.
Co dom = 50% showing in offspring(in snakes)Spider x normal= 50% normal 50% Spider offspring
dominate= 100% showing in offspring
super=100% showing in offspring of 2 or more codom traits.Super Pastel spider(aka killer bee) x normal= 100%pastel spider offsring

A domanant is the same as a co dom in that both produce 50% babies expressing the gene. But a domanant will always produce only 50 expressed and there is no homozygus form that will produce 100% expressed. A spider, pinstripe, desert and a few others are domnant. A co dom produces 50% expressed but if you breed a co dom to a co dom you get 25% normal 50% expressed and 25% more expressed (super or homozygus) that will produce 100% expressed babys no matter what you breed it to. A pastel, enchi, fires, lessers and alot of others are co-dom. Genetics in birds and snakes is pretty interesting some genes in birds are sex linked but so far non in snakes but some snakes the super form is not tied to the specific variety like a lesser, mojave and I think a fire if you breed together you get a super form that is white. If you breed a lesser to a lesser you get 25% normal 50% lessers and 25% pure white super forms that produce all lessers in the babys and if you breed a lesser to a mojave you get normals, lessers, mojaves and some pure white super forms that have both genes and all the babys will be lessers or mojaves but not both. Some normal hets have markers that you can see in the color or the patern that tells you it carries the gene like in pieds and some genes are hidden and only express when bred to different genes like a hidden gene woma. So far the lethal type gene that seems to be is that desert femals so far have never been able to reproduce and often die when they are gravit but if you never breed them they do fine. The combos for ball pythons is about as craxy as it gets as far as genes and there are new genes being found and added into new morphs every year.
Rob

Thanks again, that really cleared up. The snake hobby definitely is using their own definition of codom- when you said 25% 50% 25% that totally clinched it. That's semi dominant in general genetic terms. Co-dom means something completely different(multiple mutant genes located on the same locus). There may be true co-dom genes in the snakes but unfortunately I know nothing about snake genetics right now so I can't give examples for that.

 

[Kev]

Wraaaaagh, I'm so excited ._.

The lady I bought them off of at Chookaloop said that they were 100% NN and alot of their hatch mates had less bowtie than mine do. She showed me their daddy and he had no bowtie at all. Naked necks seem to be seriously murky waters in Australia, to be honest, and they're not super easy to get ahold of.

I couldn't say for 100% if she was splash or white, the man I bought her off of at the auction said she was just a mutt so I don't think he had paid attention to her genetics, bless his old heart.

Also, I hope they have the freakish little 5 toes that their mother has, hehe.

Thank you for the overload of information, I feel like I should pay you or something. Do you accept tips, lol?

No tips.. just bring him over!

It's extremely common for birds with naked necks to be passed off as purebred or the 'real thing' even if they have crest, leg feathering, extra toes and lay pink polkadot eggs. That's not to say your boy is a mutt, just a heads up of how so common and widespread the 'murkiness' as you say is.

Since the father had no bowtie, there is a chance you will get some of these in later generations. I've not been able to figure out the exact genetics or causes for natural no bowties. It never showed up in all of the (many!)lines I've acquired over the years, except one. It seems to act as a recessive and needs for the bird to be pure for the NN gene.. basically a pure NN with a secret, hidden gene to completely remove the bowtie.

Good news- the extra toe is dominant, so you will see it in some of the offspring. It is a 'flexible' gene though, has a very wide range of expressing.

You'll have fun discovering the genetics in your birds, hatching and growing the chicks will be excellent if you're a visual learner.