Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[draye]

Saying arkanas blues are same as the whiting stock?  If that's the claim, no(I skimmed that page and didn't catch anything about whiting).   the AB were developed at AU and have the linkage with pea comb.   The Whiting stock originated from Caveny and have single combs. Seems minor but that is a huge difference, having the linkage between pea and O gene broken.

For commercial purposes, the Whitings most likely would have been preferred because of the single comb.  Pea comb gene also makes a ridge of extra skin along the breast.. making them prone to breast blisters in cage or broiler/commerical layer house conditions.. this is why the cornish x breeder stock have single combs, despite the Cornish breed having pea comb.

I don't know just passing along the information that I had. Was told that Whiting bought out the UA stock.

The Arkansas Blues have single combs. The were developed from Araucana ( not Ameraucana) and Commercial White Leghorns. I know this straight from Dr. Bramwell the directories of the Poultry Science Department of UA.

 

[draye]

NN x Freedom ranger Freedom roo over Black ranger hen.

Nice roosters. By the way to the Freedom Ranger discussions......................it bothers me................................not. I like see the crosses to NZn and reading the discussions on them. Right now I have a Blue Jersey Guant rooster in with some if my NN hens. Also I put a 1/2 Black Jersey Giant 1/4 Easter Egger and 1/4 Production Red in with a NN rooster. The hen is fairly large one that I bred in a 2013 hatch. Trying to add some size into my flock.

 

[Kev]

I don't know just passing along the information that I had. Was told that Whiting bought out the UA stock.

The Arkansas Blues have single combs. The were developed from Araucana ( not Ameraucana) and Commercial White Leghorns. I know this straight from Dr. Bramwell the directories of the Poultry Science Department of UA.

Whiting's newsletter posted two pages ago mentions getting stock directly from David Caveny. He was one of the "big names" pre-internet for making new lines, one of was single combed blue eggers and auto sexing lines similar to fifty five flowerys. Sierra posted two pictures of Whiting stock and they are single combed.

The pictures from arkansas blue thread show pea combed birds and one person on there describes them as supposed to have sloppy looking pea combs:

 

[draye]

Whiting's newsletter posted two pages ago mentions getting stock directly from David Caveny. He was one of the "big names" pre-internet for making new lines, one of was single combed blue eggers and auto sexing lines similar to fifty five flowerys. Sierra posted two pictures of Whiting stock and they are single combed. The pictures from arkansas blue thread show pea combed birds and one person on there describes them as supposed to have sloppy looking pea combs:

Looks to me like someone has done some cross breeding these birds. I has some at one time myself and they all hatched out single combed birds. I haven't really kept up with the thread myself lost interest in them when I got rid of mine, too flighty. The ones they were working with at the Univerty of Arkansas were from an unnamed source because if some legal issues on the type of birds used. The Whitibg may very well be something entirely different, but I know at one time they were saying that they were the same thing.

 

[Kev]

Nice roosters.

By the way to the Freedom Ranger discussions......................it bothers me................................not. I like see the crosses to NZn and reading the discussions on them.

Right now I have a Blue Jersey Guant rooster in with some if my NN hens. Also I put a 1/2 Black Jersey Giant 1/4 Easter Egger and 1/4 Production Red in with a NN rooster. The hen is fairly large one that I bred in a 2013 hatch. Trying to add some size into my flock.

He looks nice and kinda hoped to use him over the NN x freedom pullets when old enough but I suspect he is not going to last past several months because his frame is way too big for his age. He's already sitting down a lot... probably not a good sign.

That is a cool project... seems there are more of us trying to increase meat in our birds than I realize?

 

[draye]

@Kev

I need to apologize, I went back and found an old thread on the Arkansas Blues.

After the discussion if them bring the same, someone posted later that they were not the same. I looked at sine pictures also, and most do have funky looking pea combs. I do know the ones that I hatched their combs looked single but maybe because they were chicks it just looked that way.

 

[Kev]

Oh don't worry but thank you, I was confused for a bit.. was double checking just now to see if I was wrong.

Did find one single combed bird with the caption it was a cull.. not sure if that meant it's a cull because it likely did not have the blue egg gene or what, perhaps what happened was single combs still show up and are not blue egg layers? Just trying to make sense of why you got single combs.

Anyways seems that breed is not exactly taking off in popularity? I cannot stand flighty birds either. That reminds me, the one good thing about the freedom and black rangers is they are naturally very calm and tame. The only exception was some cockerels did not have too good tolerance of other boys when they were starting to breed the pullets.

 

[DesertChic]

How Large an incubator? Since this bunch has made two of their own that work great they might sell the Octagon 40 pryed (Or is it pried) from Turk's hands. Never used...in fact I don't know if it was ever out of the box...but the box has been opened. Want me to ask??

Edited to correct foolish spelling!!!!!!!!!!

Also...My rocks are due on the 19th or 20th. I think...shipped on the 17th. You're ahead of me in one way but I got the draw on you with the Cornish...by about 2 years...

Oooooo....are you talking about the Brinsea Octagon? If so, this is a definite consideration for me.

And I remember your Dark Cornish x NN crosses. Impressive birds!

 

[DesertChic]

Oh that's easy... he got smacked with the funny gene lol

Definitely a cross with a crested breed. what color were the dorkings? because if they were supposed to be silver grey dorkings, I would be tempted to suggest cross with houdan, crevecoeur but if it ends up with more of a long slender body type probably would be with white crested black polish.

Buttercup and duplex comb are common in crested chickens so his funky comb is from his crested parent..

I'll be keeping a close eye on this guy. The Dorkings were supposed to be Silver Grey, but the breeder did a lousy job with shipping with a third of them broken and/or stuck directly to tape that tore off the shell, so this is the only egg that survived to hatch. The breeder won't even respond to my messaging to tell me what it may have been crossed with. I'd considered the Polish and Houdan, but never even considered the Crevecoeur. Right now I'm just glad he's healthy and friendly....and so darn amusing to look at. I may have to cross him with my frizzled Easter Eggers down the line, just for fun.

 

[DesertChic]

NN x Freedom ranger





Freedom roo over Black ranger hen.

That top rooster is gorgeous! That white one...looks a little odd to me. Nice, round body, but my eye is questioning the proportions....and what's up with that tail? LOL!