Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[draye]

I have the SOP from Lisa(DDD) I can copy and send in PM, let me know if you want it.

The basics: horizontal body with rather long backs and moderately broad. Tail med. length, well spread and held at 20 deg angle.  deep well rounded breasts with keep going well beyond front and back of the legs.  Medium length shanks. 

That would be great if you could do that.

Some of the terms they put in the SOP doesn't always make sense to me. I'm kind of simple at times.

Here's what the SOP says:

BACK: Rather long, moderately broad; carried horizontally. Saddle - area at junction with tail, devoid of feather growth but covered by saddle feathers reaching over bare area. 
BREAST: Deep, full, well-rounded. The crop area devoid of feathers.
BODY AND FLUFF: Body rather long, broad, moderately deep, keel extending well to front and rear of the legs; areas under wing and around vent devoid of feathers. 
LEGS: Legs set well apart, straight when viewed from the front. Lower Thighs - large, medicum in length, upper area devoid of feathers; area near hock joint, also devoid of feathers. Shanks - medium in length, smooth, stout. 

Thanks to you both.

The back would that be more like a Plymouth Rock or a Rhode Island Red?

 

[Kev]

That would be great if you could do that.

Some of the terms they put in the SOP doesn't always make sense to me. I'm kind of simple at times.
Thanks to you both.

The back would that be more like a Plymouth Rock or a Rhode Island Red?

Yeah, as they like to say... SOP are "open to interpretation". My take is going with relatively meat-bred type won't be wrong. The mention of back and keel length seems to me to indicate some emphasis on meatiness.

IMO the show bred RIR and BR I've seen are too skinny, more egg production type. What I mean is they often seem very narrow from the top down. NN might need to be broader bodied?

It is also hard to guess because there are not many NN at shows, we can't just pull up pictures and see what type is winning.....

 

[draye]

I'm going to post pictures of three different chicks. They will be in different posts. I'm guessing all three as pullets. They were 1week old yesterday. They are also already getting tail feathers. I've rad somewhere that pullets start getting tail feathers before cockerels. Anyone know if this is so?
FIRST ONE:

These 3 shots are of what appears to be what is going to be a barred colored chicken.

Big white spit in the head. What appears to be barring coming in on the wings. What looks like a partridge base color though, I've never seen that before. Anyone else.

BACKGROUND HISTORY:

SIre: his daddy was what I call a Silver Barred. This ones ( Silver Barred) daddy was a Salmon colored NN. His mother was a Barred hen ( I'll just say a crossbred maybe Plymouth Rock). So he is really a Black Sex Link Naked Neck.

Mom: she was a Black Crossbred hen. I hatched her out in 2013. She has a very Easter age get shape but doesn't have a beard and lays brien eggs. Her sire was a Black Jersey Giant and her mother was what I call a red Duckwing. This hen ( the Red Duckwing) was by a Ginger Red Easter Egger rooster and her mother was a Production Red ( that equals 1/2 New Hampshire and 1/2 RIR).

Can anyone take a guess where this partridge color comes from? I'm guessing from the Easter Egger heritage. A lot of different colors that I had in my original flock.

 

[draye]

This one and the next one are almost identical. I feel like they are maybe from the same mother. They both are showing their Easter Egger Heritage with those beards. There were five different perspective mothers were all some form of Wheaten. All laid brown eggs. Trying to breed out the beard.

SECOND ONE:

So with this one.


BACKGROUND:
Sire: Was my Blue Copper Naked Neck ( his background is unknown). I'm saying Blue Copper now instead of Blue Wheaten because all his blue chicks are hatched blue and develop the copper ( red gold) color as they mature. Verses a chick ( what I've read) that is supposed to be Wheaten hatching out a yellow chipmunk color.

Mother could have been 1 of 5 (maybe I should say 4 )different hens, the fifth hen in there doesn't have any Easter Egger blood in her. 1 Wheaten, 3 Splash Blue Wheaten, and 1 Dominant White/Wheaten.

 

[Kev]

Sire: Was my Blue Copper Naked Neck ( his background is unknown). I'm saying Blue Copper now instead of Blue Wheaten because all his blue chicks are hatched blue and develop the copper ( red gold) color as they mature. Verses a chick ( what I've read) that is supposed to be Wheaten hatching out a yellow chipmunk color.

Right. very different chick down. Wheaten hatch either solid cream or cream with few or just one stripe down the back.

Another difference is copper roosters do not have the duckwing and the hens are mostly solid black(blue in case of the blues). Wheatens are duckwinged and the hens are in the wheaten color pattern.

 

[Kev]

This one and the next one are almost identical. I feel like they are maybe from the same mother. They both are showing their Easter Egger Heritage with those beards. There were five different perspective mothers were all some form of Wheaten. All laid brown eggs. Trying to breed out the beard.

SECOND ONE:




So with this one.

This chick is showing partridge head pattern similar to wyandotte chicks. It is recessive and also extremely common in EE. Easily floats around hidden and pops up once introduced into the mix.

the other chick I cant tell is a solid colored partridge chick or is birchen(what you and marans people are calling copper) with the Darkbrown gene. It changes chick down to this kind of color. Usually it has little or no effect on adult color.. so that chick could be a "copper" or is actually a partridge.

 

[draye]

NUMBER THEEE:

Not much else to say. Pretty much the same as the one posted above.

Background is the same. As stated I'm working to get rid of the beards. Although I like bearded ladies I don't think they belong on Naked Necks.

I've been breeding for a little diversity on my flock, along with better laying ( this seems to be working with the EE blood that I've added) I still have a hen that lays green eggs but I'm keeping track of those by themselves. I'm not really going to pursue the green eggs right now so am only using roosters that have no EE blood. That being said I do have one pea combed rooster that us only 1/4 EE but I'm using him on regular NN hens that lay brown eggs. Pea combs work so much better where I live we have some pretty harsh winters and frost bit combs. I will continue the single comb lines also.

So tell me what you all think of them so far.

 

[Kev]

NUMBER THEEE:





Not much else to say. Pretty much the same as the one posted above.

Background is the same. As stated I'm working to get rid of the beards. Although I like bearded ladies I don't think they belong on Naked Necks.

I've been breeding for a little diversity on my flock, along with better laying ( this seems to be working with the EE blood that I've added) I still have a hen that lays green eggs but I'm keeping track of those by themselves. I'm not really going to pursue the green eggs right now so am only using roosters that have no EE blood. That being said I do have one pea combed rooster that us only 1/4 EE but I'm using him on regular NN hens that lay brown eggs. Pea combs work so much better where I live we have some pretty harsh winters and frost bit combs. I will continue the single comb lines also.

So tell me what you all think of them so far.

Yeah with this chick it is strongly looking like you have partridge showing up. Rich patterning on the wings.

 

[draye]

Right. very different chick down.  Wheaten hatch either solid cream or cream with few or just one stripe down the back.

Another difference is copper roosters do not have the duckwing and the hens are mostly solid black(blue in case of the blues).  Wheatens are duckwinged and the hens are in the wheaten color pattern.  

This chick is showing partridge head pattern similar to wyandotte chicks.  It is recessive and also extremely common in EE. Easily floats around hidden and pops up once introduced into the mix.

the other chick I cant tell is a solid colored partridge chick or is birchen(what you and marans people are calling copper) with the Darkbrown gene. It changes chick down to this kind of color. Usually it has little or no effect on adult color.. so that chick could be a "copper" or is actually a partridge.

Yeah with this chick it is strongly looking like you have partridge showing up.   Rich patterning on the wings. 

Thanks Kev for the feedback.

I didn't realize that Birchen and Copper were the same thing. I think that is what is kind if confusing to us simple people, hobby names.

I kind of figured that was the EE blood showing through. I had a lot of what I was tons was Gold Duckwing in the Easter Egger and then later was told it was a type of partridge. Confusing.

So will this continue to pop up in this line if Naked Necks if I should continue with them?

I guess that would be okay as I'm not breeding for any particular color right now. I am getting several black and red now so may try breeding those colors, but my main interest right now it the Calico look. Lots of white along with the spots/mottling.

 

[BantamFan4Life]

Hello! I don't think I've posted on this thread before, but I love Turkens! I had one, but unfortunately she was a victim of a hawk attack several months ago However, I hope to order some more from Turnland Poultry. Do you think it would be better to get the White or Red Turkens? I haven't decided yet