Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

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Have seen a few, think there were a couple farther back in this thread? Anyways, they are not common, definitely worth keeping and breeding to maintain this pattern in Turkens.

I considered trying to breed for them but the classic problem- No Room, No time!

(I'm currently working on laced, *maybe* pencilled, and lavender bantam turkens..)

Would like to see pics!

 

[Kev]

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Hi! I don't think black skin gene is sex-linked. I have LF black skin birds that started with a [Silkie x Naked Neck] cross. I tend to go about things butt-backwards and had no knowledge of the genetics involved when I started breeding.
Congratulations on your NPIP certification, Nava.

...but they only tested 1 from each pen a total of 10 birds,...

That's good to know. The logistics of testing every individual bird is staggering.
Good luck at the show this weekend. You must show them off here!

Lisa​

Right, black skin not sex linked(one web page claims this but that's incorrect). However, there are sex linked genes that can affect black skin. Common ones are sex linked barring(like on barred rocks), also dilute pigmentation from a layer in the skin- that is why barred rock legs are yellow, also why roo legs can be much yellower than on hens. The most common and 'tricky' one to deal with is Id, dermal melanin inhibitor. It prevents pigmentation from being deposited in a certain layer of the skin. Id is what causes white legs on Orpingtons (white skin plus Id= white legs). Id plus yellow skin= yellow legs. Birds with slate(blue) legs have white skin and don't have Id. Willow legs(green) have yellow skin and don't have Id. The reason I'm mentioning all that is because a lot of hatchery stock or backyard stock NN have all sorts of leg colors, including white and yellow.

If someone mated a black skin with either yellow or white leg bird, the results are going to seem sex linked for black skin, but it's actually all due to the gene Id itself, which IS sex linked. Breeding black skin to slate or willow legs will not give results that seem sex linked(and so proves black skin is not sex linked..)

 

[Kev]

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There was a movement to work for this goal in the NN club many years ago.. seems to have gone away though? It would be a great addition as it seems to be a popular color on NN.

SOOOO anyways.. pics?

edited to add, was going backwards in posts: Jim as in happycowboy on here? He had great blue NN! Seems he had to let his flock go(?).. be great if other people kept his line going.. I don't have any of his birds- too many birds here as is!

it's not Jim it's James as in JmHappycowboy from Philadelphia, MS
Kev, I went down there and I bought some orps from him and also all his Blue Naked Necks, he said that it was a good project to keep going, and I'm trying to do my best here...........

Awesome, and keep up the good work! yep good project.

 

[Kev]

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You said it all right there! Great photos too.

 

[Kev]

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Lisa gave a good answer. NN can be somewhat like easter eggers.. there are the ones bred for show, and then there are the ones from hatcheries and finally there are backyard breeders. Show bred ones are pretty hard to find, not sure what their personality are like generally, as I had show stock birds only twice. My very first NN was from a hatchery, and she got me completely hooked on NN- she was simply awesome. Big yet gentle and followed me all around like a puppy(even when she got pretty old- she passed away from old age at 12 or so years), laid real good and huge eggs. From comments, it appears hatchery stock are generally "fun" birds but also great for egg and meat production(also free range great, so if homesteading/raising free range chickens for butchering...). The backyard stock are completely variable and Lisa hit that part real well, it can reflect what the mix was. If mixed with BR then BR-ish, etc. It's extremely common for backyard naked necks to be freely mixed with whatever else there is.

 

[Kev]

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Handsome! And so shiny! Good job!

 

[draye]

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Have seen a few, think there were a couple farther back in this thread? Anyways, they are not common, definitely worth keeping and breeding to maintain this pattern in Turkens.

I considered trying to breed for them but the classic problem- No Room, No time!

(I'm currently working on laced, *maybe* pencilled, and lavender bantam turkens..)

Would like to see pics!

I will try to get some, but will probably have to wait until the groud dries up some, it is so wet with the 7 to 8 inches of snow that we got Sunday and Sunday night.

 

[Kev]

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Skeksis????? That's uh, the fuzziest Skeksis I've ever seen..... Pettable and huggable even.. (check out vulturine guineas and tell me you don't see Skeksis in those!)

Eva is gorgeous with that deep red color and long neck.

 

[Kev]

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Silkies have (modified)rose comb or walnut combs(genetically rose and pea), both have the effect of reducing feather numbers on the body. So their naked areas can be a little larger than on typical Turkens with single comb. Pure walnut plus pure naked neck gene can make a very naked chick with huge naked areas all over the breast/belly, up the sides of body, leaving much smaller feather tracts, which doesn't appeal to some & maybe not good idea for those in very cold winter areas?

Also, if the stock have the huge head knobs, the presence of pea comb in walnut combs can make pure NN showgirls look like they have a bad receding hairline, with the naked area extending from the nose all way to base of the knob, going around a little on both sides and up around from the comb area.

 

[Kev]

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Is that club really still going? I was a subscribing member oh gee maybe 15 years ago? was getting mail outs and newsletters for 2 years and then it simply stopped.. tried getting in touch to find out why, no response at all. Tried again in a year or 2 after, still no response so I assumed the club just dissolved and gave up trying to contact again..