Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Knock Kneed Hen]

KKH,  all the babies are precious, but #s 3 & 4 are heartbreakers.

The one with the 'funky feathers' makes me wonder if it could be a combination of the frizzle gene at work combined with lavender gene. The lavender gene can produce poor quality feathering. Dunno. Just taking a stab at it.

I didn't know that about the lavender gene. The roo is blue barred and carries the lavender gene. Today I noticed that chick # 3 ( my favorite) is getting some funky feathering. Not a frizzle mom and not lavender. I suppose the roo is responsible for this then since the chicks are from two different hens, completely different sources. You wouldn't think #4 is a heartbreaker if you saw it's profile pic. . . looks just like it's mother

 

[Kev]

The lav gene problem is mostly limited to tails and 'rooster feathers'(shiny/pointy) on lavender roosters. It doesn't affect the secondaries/primaries, afaik.

The chicks are not lavender, to get lavender the hens would have had to be lav carriers too plus lavender is always very even in shade(as in all the black parts are diluted to the same shade, all the gold parts would be diluted to same shade). The chick in pic #5 shows darker spots on wing feathers so lav is ruled out to this reason. It's also barred, btw.

Several of the chicks have a strange color to me.. looks brownish to me instead of usual shades of blue chickens... am wondering if they might be dun?

 

[Kev]

Did you see the tolbunt cross roo breed the hen? If not.. try giving him a buzz cut and a beard trim too if he has one. Did that with polish cockerels that seemed not to breed hens or eggs were coming up infertile. Every time, the haircut and beard trim helped. Usually just once was enough, they didn't need it again in further seasons.

KKH Awesome looking chicks.
I have just begun my naked neck polish project and already hit a bump in the road.I have eggs in the incubator from two different matings. The one that I was most excited about was the frizzle tolblunt X golden laced polish over my black naked neck hen.I candled my eggs tonight and the frizzle polish X black naked neck cross eggs look to be not fertile. But I left them in the incubator for a few more days to be sure.After all they are dark brown and I was using a flashlight.But the eggs from the other mating are all fertile. And I moved the black naked neck hen in with my white polish even though she has quit laying.

 

[Kev]

Not a problem.

Try checking the soles on the Amers. If the sole is more or less the same color as leg, probably don't have Id. But if their soles are very clearly white or yellow, thats a possible clue to Id being present. I know there are some black breeds with black legs/toes that have distinctly yellow and white soles directly due to Id but cannot remember which ones right now...

Large single comb breed.. you really made me think hard on this one lol... maybe Andalusians, Black or blue Rocks?

Campines and lakenvelders don't have Id- their legs are slate. If they had Id, legs would have been all white. The Lakenvelder cross guy would be worth a try, especially if the Amer stock didn't have white or yellow soles.. because that would mean the cross guy would not have Id at all...

It's incredibly hard to find out all the variables about fibromelanotic expression.. A lot of chicken genetics is known from broiler and layer studies, in other words, birds of economic importance. There wasn't a big market for Fm birds so it didn't get studied terribly much.. result is we're kind of on our own as to why Fm comes up in all weird shades or patterns. I also see all sorts of strangeness with the skin color in mixes, including birds with gray skin on body but the wattles/comb is red(your splash chicks might turn out like this or eventually their body skin turns light), chicks with normal light flesh colored skin but the skin was thin enough you could actually see their skulls and details on trachea, wing bones on underside were ink-black, almost like they were a living X-ray specimen.. and birds with gray skins yet their legs are a clean, even green- which in theory should not happen.. as to why all those variables happen, I haven't the slightest idea.

Thank you SO much taking the time to explain that. Just the first sentence was more that I *knew* --- "Id is Inhibitor of Dermal melanin".
I think my black, blue, and splash Ameraucana are not Id.
Can you think of a single-comb large fowl (not game) that does not have Id? I bet Campines and Lakenvelders don't. They wouldn't work anyway because of 'patterns' (but I do have a Lakenvelder x Ameraucana cross guy (??)).
You might know what caused this. I've got a *thing* going on with some youngsters from my Fm project pen (Fm hens with splash Plymouth Rock roo). Some of the splash youngsters have dark (gray) skin but have white (chalky white) combs. Looks really weird.
Thanks again for all the help!
Lisa

 

[sundancenbare]

What is the breed standard for the turkins? I have 2 with completely nakid necks and 2 that have puffs on their necks. Which are correct? I want to show them at our county fair and need to know the standard so I don't embarass my self

 

[Knock Kneed Hen]

The lav gene problem is mostly limited to tails and 'rooster feathers'(shiny/pointy) on lavender roosters. It doesn't affect the secondaries/primaries, afaik. 

The chicks are not lavender, to get lavender the hens would have had to be lav carriers too  plus lavender is always very even in shade(as in all the black parts are diluted to the same shade, all the gold parts would be diluted to same shade).  The chick in pic #5 shows darker spots on wing feathers so lav is ruled out to this reason.  It's also barred, btw.

Several of the chicks have a strange color to me.. looks brownish to me instead of usual shades of blue chickens... am wondering if they might be dun?

Are you bursting my bubble Kev? I was really hoping that chick #5 was lavender. Maybe barred splash then. It seems to me that Lil' Steve had some slight curling on his wing tips but his feathers look normal now so hopefully it's no big deal. I was thinking dun too because it's kind of a strange color...at least not one that I've seen before. I'm anxious to see how they feather out, especially #2 because of it's color.

 

[Kev]

What is the breed standard for the turkins? I have 2 with completely nakid necks and 2 that have puffs on their necks. Which are correct? I want to show them at our county fair and need to know the standard so I don't embarass my self

There's a standard printed somewhere but as usual, cannot remember where anything is... Send a PM or email to Dipsy Doodle Doo to see if she can send you the standard. Total bare neck is preferred but a small bowtie is allowed. Large bowtie with tons of feathers covering all of their lower front neck is a DQ.

It's not just the neck nakidity that's important- feather color also is. From memory, buff, white, black and another color? are the accepted colors. Also yellow legs, except for black legs on the blacks.

Good luck and I think it's awesome you're trying to show off this breed!

 

[pgpoultry]

I thought I might show one of mine at the local show this summer. Last year two bantam NNs actually won best in breed.

The standard is at the kind of level nobody feels intimidated, though it's the oldest show in Britain (a pretty small country!)......There are also categories for ugliest (please don't tell me to enter Gordon), friendliest, oddest, as well as longest bramble, best bit of turf, oddest looking vegetable etc. Actually Gordon would star as ugliest and friendliest roo..... maybe I will take him along.

It is a fun show, and I think these are the best. Thousands of visitors, lots to learn, and a chance to show your pride and joy and educate folk.

I have a super-friendly and huge Brahma hen who could go along too.

 

[Kev]

Are you bursting my bubble Kev?

I was really hoping that chick #5 was lavender. Maybe barred splash then. It seems to me that Lil' Steve had some slight curling on his wing tips but his feathers look normal now so hopefully it's no big deal. I was thinking dun too because it's kind of a strange color...at least not one that I've seen before. I'm anxious to see how they feather out, especially #2 because of it's color.

I'm so sorry, do feel like a bubble burster sometimes.

Here's another bubble bursting- it can't be a splash either as splash are genetically pure blues. Lil Steve is not a blue or splash so if it's the blue gene at work in your chicks, it would be blue not splash.

Here's a shining star- if your chicks are dun, they would be Extra Special, there can't be very many dun colored NN! I never had dun in my flock so you have me beat in this regard..

If they're really dun, you have the the potential to combine dun and lavender in the same bird in later generations. I have no idea what that will look like & don't recall ever seeing a picture of that combination.

I'm interested in seeing how your chicks turn out also- especially #4 and 5.

 

[Georgia Boy 1970]

Did you see the tolbunt cross roo breed the hen? If not.. try giving him a buzz cut and a beard trim too if he has one. Did that with polish cockerels that seemed not to breed hens or eggs were coming up infertile. Every time, the haircut and beard trim helped. Usually just once was enough, they didn't need it again in further seasons.

Kev
I have already hatched several chicks from this rooster. You are right about the trim,had to to do that at the beginning of the breeding season.Just don't know what went wrong with that mating.And now she is not laying. I sent you a pm about the naked neck polish project.
Thanks