NC Coyotes population increasing

[Swamp Roo]

Goosedragon: Sorry, did not mean to imply that you believed that. You were quite specific in what you said (or asked). Lots of misinformation out there I know I've been caught by some before. What an apex predator is a matter of semantics at times, perhaps not "the" apex on any given day, but certainly "an" apex on some days. Everything gets eaten by something else at some time. I would consider an apex predator any predator that is not regularly hunted by others. It would have to be pretty unusual though. Like you I also get a sense of satisfaction when I see tracks leading up to my electric fence and the obviously leaving in a real hurry. Hopefully one less that I have to deal with personally.

Manok-Tao: You are absolutely correct about not everyone having the same legal right to defend their animals in the same way. Whether that is as it should be or not is a discussion for another time and place (it's not one size fits all just as you stated). I choose to live in an area where I can shoot any predator that is "harassing or harming" my livestock provided it is not Federally protected or endangered. If I was forced to live in an area that where I could not, I might choose a subsonic .22 round, but I feel pretty comfortable with my ability to hit my target and drop it in it's tracks. Not a course of action for everyone, nor is it legal, just easier to do covertly. I would be inclined to use a live trap if possible, to catch coyotes that are as bold as some peoples are. Call up animal control and arrange pick up for euthanasia (can't release them in most places). Again, also easier said than done. If they won't take it, bring it to the next city counsel meeting and tell them, if they are so harmless, why don't I just let it go in here?

As far as how you solved you dog problem, no I don't condone it. Unfortunately I can't truthfully say I would not have done the same if left without other recourse. Was there another option? You were there, I wasn't, I can't say. If you felt you and yours were in genuine danger, you obviously exercised your ability to defend yourself. I can't argue that. If I'm going to be angry, I'd be angry at the irresponsible people that that left those dogs to become feral to start with. Not the person that had to make a hard choice. Others may not feel the same, I hope you don't catch grief over it. It's a very touchy subject. Sort of like certain animal rights groups.

Swamp

 

[goosedragon]

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[Swamp Roo]

Yeah, when I moved out "in the sticks" I kept my mouth shut and ears open. Saved me a lot of grief. The "good old boys" out here may have a different cultural background than I was used to, but they ain't dumb, and don't like it when city folk come out and tell them what they are doing wrong (apparently been doing it wrong for many generation too). They figured out that I would listen to them, but could pull their leg right back if I needed. We get along great, even if we don't always agree. I've learned a lot out here.

I have a real love/hate relationship with geese because of that. I love they way they taste, but hate the way SOME of them act. Luckily I'm 6'3", and they generally change their attitude when I square up to them and put my "I don't thinks so" posture in place.

A pack is just too much, it greater that the sum of it's parts. Might be getting a Christmas goose or two for this year.


The reintroduction of wolves has changed the dynamic of the park. Lots of arguments, and lots of different agendas. I'm hearing more and more people comment (complain) on the expanding wolf numbers outside of the park. I'm not involved so I don't know enough to have an opinion. I did not know the coyotes had taken such a hit. Interesting. Not much of an option for most of the country though.

Swamp

 

[goosedragon]

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There are some geese that are known for being docile, but your best bet is to show them you are the boss right from day one. I had a understanding with mine, outside of their enclosure I was unquestioned boss. Inside their enclosure I would respect them but they soon learned that if they messed with me too much I would skip a feeding and they would not get their pool water changed ( they always got fresh drinking water though0

 

[racuda]

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Hi all you people from the Old North State (NC) I am in Sanford Just down 15-501 from Chapel Hill, South of the Triangle, North of Fort Bragg, pretty much the center of the state. Have any of you heard that the coyote was introduced into some of the semi-suburbs by game officials that thought they could help control the deer population? Deer won't thrive in the piney woods, there isn't enough sunlight to get to the ground and grow the grass and scrub that they feed on. Subdivisions however provide first rate food and cover for the deer population. And they provide food for coyotes too, all those panpered pets and garbage cans -Good Eats!
When I spotted my first coyote, I asked some of my native outdoorsmen friends and they said that I was mistaken, that coyotes did not range on the Piedmont. Now these good old boys blast coyotes on sight since they ruin the deer hunting.
I had built what I thought was a very secure enclosure for my flocks of ducks & geese, Four foot woven wire, outside three hot wires. One near the ground to prevent diggers, One about 3 feet up to get climbers and lookers and one on the top for climbers. The woven wire was attached to steel stakes with all sections connected by jumper wires It was hard to get a good ground in my soil so the ground wire was connected directly to the woven wire. Now if you were standing on the ground and touched a hot wire you got a good jolt. If you were touching a post or woven wire and touched a hot wire You got twice the Jolt. Had motion detection security lights with alarm and a system of security cameras that fed to a monitor and recorder in the house. My sniper's nest overlooked the whole pen area and I thought I was ready right up to the first power failure when I installed battery backup on everything. Well it worked I repelled many coon, fox, and dog attacks. My first coyote pack attack was my last! A big female bit the top wire and it killed her. However she still had the wire in her mouth and she shorted out the hotwire and the whole system went down the pack swarmed jn and killed all of them. Wounded two but couldn't track them down buried, the wire biter used the dick bodies for bait in fopes that O could get a shot at one. Even when you think you are protected something can go wrong,

Was it a pulsed system, or always on?

 

[Bettacreek]

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When dealing with coyotes, if you kill a grump, keep it, do not burry it. Use the grump as bait, the pack is most likely to come back. It's like if you catch a grump in a trap, reset that trap and put a few others around in the area, because all of her pups and her mate will come back. Not my experience, but the BIL's tips.

 

[Swamp Roo]

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That needs to be a t-shirt: "The way to a ganders heat is through his stomach"

I do something similar with my dog, if she doesn't give me the ball back right away, or try to snatch it back from me, we stop playing. My dog will leave a running squirrel to chase a thrown ball, she would rather play ball than eat.

I have always dealt with geese the same way, if they charge me I move towards them with a very intent stare. When they stop, I stop. Usually only take once. The only exception is if they have young, then I just stand my ground. I don't go looking for trouble with them, if they behave I'm not about to provoke them (with young or without young). I've found geese to be really smart, they understand the don't threaten me I won't threaten you concept really fast. I'm sure eventually I'll find some truly psychotic gander, and then we will see what happens. I don't really hate geese, I say that and really shouldn't. They can just be a royal pain in the fundament though, so I tend to keep an eye on them. It's just like with smart dogs, take control and actively keep control.

Swamp

 

[RockyPhoenix]

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if donkeys become attached to someone (thing) they will defend it from harm...whether it be a cat or another donkey

 

[DuckDuckGuinea]

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When dealing with coyotes, if you kill a grump, keep it, do not burry it. Use the grump as bait, the pack is most likely to come back. It's like if you catch a grump in a trap, reset that trap and put a few others around in the area, because all of her pups and her mate will come back. Not my experience, but the BIL's tips.

Grump = Coyote?

 

[CoyoteMagic]

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HEY!! Who you calling a Grump!!