Nearly five Week old chicks dying for no reason?

Here is a photograph of the female chick with suspected illness- perhaps impacted crop?- the bulge is about half the size of a clementine. I know it is hard to tell from a photograph- from what you folks can see, should I perform the surgery? She is so young I am afraid she will die- but I'm also afraid she will die without surgery.

 
I am not sure what to advise. I did the surgery because ours was outside and was eating grass. Has she been separated so that you can observe her eating/pooping?? I would definately isolate and observe whether she is moving food through before cutting.


If you do the surgery, the intimidation to start is the worst part. We had not flailing, noise, etc.....
 
Here is a photograph of the female chick with suspected illness- perhaps impacted crop?- the bulge is about half the size of a clementine. I know it is hard to tell from a photograph- from what you folks can see, should I perform the surgery? She is so young I am afraid she will die- but I'm also afraid she will die without surgery.
Well, it's the right location for the crop. She is young, I haven't done a surgery on one so young. I would do as the other poster said, isolate and see if it goes down some in the morning (take the food away at night) and if the bird is pooping at all. Search "impacted crop" on this site and see what remedies you can try. Getting a bit of water in there and massaging it several times a day would be the first thing I would try. The bird is reacting to the pressure when you touch it. With a crop so large, pressure on it likely makes the contents try to come up out of the birds mouth and that is what she is feeling. When you massage, do it in a downward motion. Sometimes people try to turn the bird upside down and squeeze the contents out of the birds mouth, but this is very tricky, has to be done quickly and the bird uprighted so it doesn't aspirate on the contents coming out. Usually, this is done after adding water to the crop to liquify the contents and is done in the even of a soured crop. However, your bird is quite young and its crop so large that frankly I don't see any room for adding water. It also won't work if the mass is something other than food that just isn't moving. So, I would try a syringe and get the bird to drink a bit and then massage, massage, massage. Has the bird had any grit? If it hasn't, I would bet it would take some if you offered. Lets hope the mass is just in the crop and that it doesn't have an impaction further down the tract. Because that is not something that can be resolved often and crop surgery doesn't resolve that. Once I had a bird with a tangled hay mass pass all the way through it's digestive system and stay stuck in the intestinal part. I knew the bird was ill. I kept dosing him with extra water for several days. One day I saw something protruding from the vent. It looked like a finger sized rope. I took a pair of tweezers and helped it birth about an eight inch long rope of twisted hay. That's what had been blocking the poor thing and causing his slow crop. Never put hay down for bedding again. I've also seen small chicks get these huge crops like yours has from being on fine shavings. I would avoid that stuff also. Sometimes chicks aren't too smart and eat all the wrong things. If it was eating that stuff and didn't have access to grit, it could be that is causing the plug up. Also, since the bird isn't getting proper nutrition I would put a vit/min supplement in its water immediately. If you do surgery, search it throughly. Make sure everything is sterile, that you have everything you need including antibiotics, make sure the incision is at the top and it doesn't have to be large, and that you withhold food for the proper length of time afterwards, that the food you do offer is very soft and nutritious, and that the bird has access to nothing else to eat in the recovery cage. Nothing, not newspaper, paper towels, shavings, etc. Be prepared to feed it several times throughout the day, small amounts. If you can only tend to it twice a day, that won't work.
 
It is interesting that yours has not been out of the brooder. I wondered about sour crop with ours now, but there is no smell. I have cut off food today and hoping the crop shrinks down a bit. We had fine shavings in our brooder and coop but none were found in her crop when we pulled out the grass, grit, and other food (they had only been in the coop/pen a couple days).

If you were feeding medicated feed in a brooder, it is difficult to imagine this being coccidiosis. I hope your chick makes a recovery. We are still watching ours and hoping for the best, not sure what else to do.

With the cost of chickens what it is, it is difficult to find much info on these types of issues as I expect most just get culled.
With medicated feed, I have still had cocci in some chicks. I don't bother with it anymore, just keep Corid on hand. I feel like it's a low dose preventative.
 
My corid should be in the mail today, according to UPS tracking. I will try that, and I will isolate her in a dog crate. I will give her just water with corid and vitamins. I have placed poly vis ol in the current water.
She hasn't had any hay, the brooder was filled with standard wood shavings from TSC. She does eat the shavings though- I've seen her do it.
It is also possible she ate some paper towel shreds. I had set down a paper towel at the bottom of the brooder when I was changing it out- and when I returned it was pretty shredded.

She is also obsessed with eating the other chick's poop. I'm not sure if that is just a weird personality trait or a symptom of something wrong with her.

These Lavender Ameraucanas were from shipped eggs. Of twelve eggs, only three hatched, and one died- the brother that she had who died of mystery gasping.
All three of them have always been weak and smaller.
I think the stress of shipping as eggs was just way too much on these poor chicks.

I'll try the massaging as well. How long should the massage sessions be? I should try and squeeze the lump down a little? I tried last night to get her to drink some mineral oil off of a plain syringe. She didn't really have much at all.

I haven't tried emptying the crop by holding her upside down yet- I read that the bird can asphixiate and she is already so weak I just feel frightened.

The science teacher at work has lent me a set of scalpels and forceps if I need them. I am going to wait a little longer I think though...
 
Better to put a little oil on some scrambled egg, aspirated oil is a killer on its own when force fed. I can not advise about the massage as it did not work for us. I read gently every hour and a half or two. Yeah the aspiration, asphyxiation, cutting scenarios are all intimidating, but you have to figure if you do nothing the result is certain.
 
An update on the chick: last night we tried finding sutures and betadine at TSC. They did carry betadine but not sutures, and they couldn't tell me where to find them.
When my husband and I got home, we tried massaging the crop. Just touching the crop at first some brown liquid started spilling out of her beak.
We gave her a break for an hour and then massaged the crop again. Nothing came out, but you could feel little bits of grit in the crop, so she has been getting the grit.

She was very lethargic and tired, so we isolated her in a dog crate with the ecoglow and only water. I did not think she would make it through the night, but as of this morning, she is still alive.
I'm not completely sure, but it seems like the bulge has gone down a little bit.

So this might be more of a sour crop/ slow crop issue- should I try feeding plain yogurt or scrambled eggs with oil?

(If she is still alive when I get home from work?)

I almost wonder since this chick is so young and weak if the crop has never really worked at all- at least not worked very well....
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An update on the chick: last night we tried finding sutures and betadine at TSC. They did carry betadine but not sutures, and they couldn't tell me where to find them.
When my husband and I got home, we tried massaging the crop. Just touching the crop at first some brown liquid started spilling out of her beak.
We gave her a break for an hour and then massaged the crop again. Nothing came out, but you could feel little bits of grit in the crop, so she has been getting the grit.

She was very lethargic and tired, so we isolated her in a dog crate with the ecoglow and only water. I did not think she would make it through the night, but as of this morning, she is still alive.
I'm not completely sure, but it seems like the bulge has gone down a little bit. 

So this might be more of a sour crop/ slow crop issue- should I try feeding plain yogurt or scrambled eggs with oil? 

(If she is still alive when I get home from work?) 

I almost wonder since this chick is so young and weak if the crop has never really worked at all- at least not worked very well.... :idunno


I don't think stress from being a shipped egg causes these problems in chicks. It is more likely breeder nutrition or genetic issues in the line. Closely bred lines can produce weak chicks, just as breeder nutrition can. Your case may not be a weak chick, but a more timid chick (aggression is bred out) or a chick that is just following a natural instinct to eat off the ground.
Massage the crop as often as you can, in a downward motion. Be careful on the mineral oil like others said. With a slow to no moving crop it isn't going to do much good to put solid food like scrambled egg in there. But I would give crushed hard boiled egg yolk to her. Much smaller than pieces of scrambled egg. The chick is weak because it has lacked nutrition for some time. Are these two the only chicks in the brooder? Because many times chicks resort to eating off the floor because of overcrowding, few feeding stations, and intimidation from other chicks. Usually, these are chicks that are more timid in personality and don't fight to get to the feeders. Or they are just following their natural instinct to feed off the floor (ground) like I said.
Continue with more water therapy. If you see stuff wanting to come out of the beak when you massage you could tilt the bird upside down and let it drain out a FEW seconds while you squeeze, then put the bird upright so it can catch it's breath. That will give you more room to work on massaging the crop. I really hope this passes through her wherever it is blocked at. I think water is the best option right now for getting things moving in her. She is going to need a nutritious liquid diet in order to get any nutrition right now. You may consider using the food made for baby birds that is sold in pet stores. I think it is a liquid that is fed to baby birds like parrots. I don't think anything solid is going to be of much benefit right now. You may even consider a little raw egg yolk in your syringe.
 
I'm posting another update on the chick with mystery illness.

Thanks to all of you who are helping me with advice and tips!
I did wind up keeping the massage "treatment" every few hours, gently trying to break up the particles in her crop. After the first treatment, she was extremely exhausted. The crop looks MUCH better this morning though, after only about two days of the massage treatment. The chick is still hanging out under the ecoglow a lot, and she makes a weird sound, but she is taking the liquid diet with eagerness.

She has a standard chick waterer with corid and poly-vis-ol added.

I have taken suggestion and the food diet I give her is: one tablespoon of full fat, plain yogurt with one raw egg yolk, mixed with about a half a teaspoon warm water. I mix this all together, and give this in a custard cup.

She eats, but when she eats it sounds like bits of gravel knocking against each other- I wonder if I am hearing things knocking around inside her crop. Anyone else hear a sound like that?
I give the massage treatment for at least a week, correct? And she should probably stay on the liquid diet for about a week as well?

I know she isn't out of the woods yet, but I'm seriously grateful to you guys for all the help in figuring this out! You guys are life-savers!
 

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