Need help from you genetics gurus with breeding crele...thanks!!

[Three Cedars Silkies]

OK...so I didn't think I had "room" for another color bantam cochin...BUT...someone on another thread said it was simple. I have a lovely barred roo (photo below..he was molting and not in best feather). What would I need to breed him to to get crele?

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I'd like one that looks somewhat like this:

http://members.aol.com/kbjtc/webp/cochin.html

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I am not 100% sure how to bring in black breasted red into cochins. You could get crele looking males from a barred male onto partridge females. To get 'real' crele cochin bantams you would have to find a bird similar in type to cochins that is black breasted red and get hens from that to cross with him. I cannot think of any right now, the only common BBR bird that comes in bantam that comes to mind is the OEGB. You could use BBR OEGB hens, it would take many generations but it could be done.

Maybe someone else will chime in with their opinion. I know to get crele phoenix we used crele OEGB with light brown hens, then crossed them back to light brown.

 

[L&Schickens]

Once you have crele, will that crele bird produce crele?

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Once you have crele and breed them to other crele they will produce crele.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Also when a crele male is bred to certain colors it will produce crele. Example crele male on light brown/black breasted red or golden hens will produce crele of both sexes. Crele male on barred females will give a sexlink, the males will be barred and the females will be crele.
If you wanted to make largefowl crele cochins you could use a barred rooster on welsummer hens, the welsummers we had were loosley feathered.

Also I think if you cross your rooster with buff or red hens you might get something that looks crele.

 

[Three Cedars Silkies]

How about if I bred the barred roo with a red-brown cochin hen?

 

[Kev]

Monkey is right about true crele being a BBR with sex linked barring. That term does get tossed around left and right.. like on that page.. those ain't a true crele.

In fact that rooster looks like a barred brown-red. If that's your goal, then breeding to the brown-red hen will get you birds more or less like him. I don't know if you will get any in the first generation, but if you get all barreds in the first generation just choose one of them and breed it to a brown red.

Barring is sex linked. Barred roo will produce barreds in both sexes, barred hens only produce barred sons (if bred to non-barred roo). Consider this when choosing the progeny for breeding.

If Wheaten is an accepted or available color in cochins, they can be used to achieve roosters that look very much like the true creles.. hens however will look very different from crele hens though.

 

[onthespot]

What about crele is different from a barred brown red?

 

[Guitartists]

Maybe this will be helpful....

http://www.perfectpekins.co.uk/workingwithcrelepekins.htm

 

[onthespot]

This is a result of partridge silkie and cuckoo marans cross. Is this barred brown red or crele?