need some help understanding to 'calculate' without asking here billion times

[strangeanimal]

Hi all ,

Today is to me a sad day , all my chickens , besides one are dead , either died of desease or got culled because of the risk and their suffering and before that lots of them were meat ..

Now 8 new ones are already waiting for me , but I need to know something before paying for them , since I might buy only 4 due the fact I want to breed with my black copper marans roo because all his ofspring has always gotten quite some of his temper , docile , gentle birds and most of all healthy and so they looked too .
Question is the following : which hen do I need in color to get what with my bcm roo ?
White , grey , black + bcm = ?
I was hoping to be able to create some blue ( or soft blueish / lavender )
and some buff colours , but I have been searching and googling , nope I cant figure it out ..
Can anyone tell me what bcm + white hen gives and bcm + black hen and bcm + grey ?
Ty in advance and sorry for asking the 5654545th time

 

[Egghead_Jr]

Black. You'll get a lot of black chicks with any of those crossings. It's the next generation if bred back to the sire that will give you perhaps what you're looking for.

Grey? Do you mean lavender? That's the grey color to me. Blue can look pretty grey sometimes too but not nearly as drab as Lav as it's absent of lacing.

Probably the most interesting cross would be with a dominant white bird. With that you'll get white chicks (due to one copy of a dominant white gene) but if a few females are bred back to the sire you can get quite an array of colors. Black, white, black pattern red neck- like copper Marans, red pyle- white pattern red necked.

 

[Granny Hatchet]

hi, genetics gives me a headache but wondering what your chickens had ? Some things you need to wait at least a month on before bringing new ones in.

 

[Egghead_Jr]

hi, genetics gives me a headache but wondering what your chickens had ? Some things you need to wait at least a month on before bringing new ones in.

Not to mention the Marans cock bird is likely a carrier if they did have disease.

 

[strangeanimal]

hi, genetics gives me a headache but wondering what your chickens had ? Some things you need to wait at least a month on before bringing new ones in.

Hi !! you read the thread about having only one left I assume right ? they had that chronic long/nose thing :'( , started with this :
first my flock was constantly having fights what occasionally happened but not as severe as that , if the ones that weren't that sick as the rest noticed the weakest drinking , eating or just being present they'd attack that one like wild animals , even came so far a few ended up eggbound , the weaker ones did not have permission to nestingbox nor coop , nor run either , they didn't show symptoms and also in the eyes of the vet and myself they were all healthy ! some sneezes also happen on occasion in every flock just like us , we even sneeze looking at light sometimes so that was all ok plus on top of this they were almost all broody ! tried to break them with a very good tip for a broodycage , did work but few days after again broody and a few were ment to be broody or atleast ' allowed ' , then , when another broody finally got broken the most of them , especially the free rangers were broody , according to the vet just the time of the year , which is indeed true , they had hidingspots etc , but then things got bad ;
first a few hens that looked sick so I right away unlocked my quarantaine room and putted those in , usually the ones that got sevearly bullied , got them on antibiotics too and 'for preventing ' treatment for the whole flock ! costed me so much and didnt work !!! they were better for some days and then some started caughing blood , the ones that caughed like this or had very much snot / troubled breathing were taken by the vet immediately to get culled , few stayed here for a SECOND treatment , failure ! also culled , some died , I had left : 1 orpington ( my buff ) , 1 marans and 1 unknown breed plus a bcm rooster , the orpington and the unknown one were best of untill yesterday , she died the buff orpington , now the rest of them is clear , so I'm having now only one marans rooster , one ' unknown with suspicion she is a black rock , also called a rhode rock , a hybrid that lays a lot with in parentage also marans ) . The entire situation did not affect the free ranged old english games oddly enough but I guess the fact they sit in trees , are free ranged have made them tougher ... The ones that are clear from desease remain quarantained and the area is now already desinfected , even mealworms die from the desinfectionproducts lol but it is really sad to know how they died now , I so wished I could see their symptoms much earlier but no .
So the ones I am buying are already ' set for me and reserved untill the day I want it , but I did let know I wanted some time first to think about the breeds plus I want to prevent sickness very very well this time so I'm also rebuilding the quarantaine room , the second one ( for those who are new here ) which can not be affected by the hens that died since it ain't my area and is not close to it either luckily ) therefor I'm starting up with a new flock , these I got now are going to go too , the rooster is gonna stay for quite some time now first and he is probably going to have to go for an orpington rooster , but the black rock is just gonna get sold to farm nextdoor , they do know about the entire flocks illness too , so they know it could be a risk ( this one never sneezes or anything )
I don't know but one colour is for sure , or better yet breed : I definitely want an orpington girl being buff for who they are , these were such heartwarming girls , she shared her very last moment with me after have waited too just get hughed and just take a look at me and I swear this is not coincidental , she did ... poor girls ((

 

[strangeanimal]

Not to mention the Marans cock bird is likely a carrier if they did have disease.

nope , he did not stay with the flock since a few months ago ! I didn't want any youngsters from him plus he is noisy , so he stayed elsewhere on a piece of land , luckily ...

 

[strangeanimal]

Black. You'll get a lot of black chicks with any of those crossings. It's the next generation if bred back to the sire that will give you perhaps what you're looking for.

Grey? Do you mean lavender? That's the grey color to me. Blue can look pretty grey sometimes too but not nearly as drab as Lav as it's absent of lacing.

Probably the most interesting cross would be with a dominant white bird. With that you'll get white chicks (due to one copy of a dominant white gene) but if a few females are bred back to the sire you can get quite an array of colors. Black, white, black pattern red neck- like copper Marans, red pyle- white pattern red necked.

ty , yeah it is more grey I did notice this too yet if some work you could get a more like real purple bird right ? that would also be interesting

 

[Granny Hatchet]

Yes, I did read your first post and totally up to you but if they had CRD or another respiratory illness I guarantee the rooster is a carrier. Im sorry. With these problems its all in all out. I have had this in my flock and did the same you are doing now. They seem perfectly healthy until they come under stress then it will pop its ugly head up. I kept mine and treated with denaguard.simply because its so common . You can walk from one coop to another but unless you changed shoes, clothes and showered you are taking that right in with you.

 

[strangeanimal]

Yes, I did read your first post and totally up to you but if they had CRD or another respiratory illness I guarantee the rooster is a carrier. Im sorry. With these problems its all in all out. I have had this in my flock and did the same you are doing now. They seem perfectly healthy until they come under stress then it will pop its ugly head up. I kept mine and treated with denaguard.simply because its so common . You can walk from one coop to another but unless you changed shoes, clothes and showered you are taking that right in with you.

hi ,
I do appreciate your concern , really but the roo is really out of option to have any illness from the hens .
The hens started acting ' strange ' when I introduced 2 new hens I got for free ( they neede a new home and were from a womans recent passed away father so she wanted to give the animals a new life ...) I took the girls but I did not let them come near the others , kept them in a playpen and they were ill but not any respitory issues I could tell , also they got a check up ( briefly ) by the vet and he said they seemed to have no illness yet they had scaby legs of mites so that was actually all there was , once he quikly came to that visit they have stayed in the garage for a time but also my roo was the day before already elsewhere because he was out for long time before also , I borrowed him to young people who ABSOLUTELY must get chicks from him so he stayed there about like perhaps two full months but I wanted him not right back because I had planned that the broodies first hatched eggs I ordered and not from him plus I first wanted my flock to get ' reareanged ' due the fact I went from many to almost none increasing , old ones became either meatbirds or rehomed etc , so because of the stress especially for BOTH hens and roo I switched him to another place untill the flock would be better yet that never happened , he is still there also and has care so it is really not possible he got any of this from the girls since he was just briefly here and only beFORE I had those new girls ( where the desease came from one of them ) , so she is dead , there was something seriously wrong with that one , even called ex owners etc . , it is only after the whole flock started acting weird in behavior my vet told me that one of the newbies caused an illness so I had to be carefull but by that time it was already too late , I blamed him for it but since highschool he is a friend and when he shows up briefly he does it just because he doesn't have much time and just as a friend and a short visit in fact so can I blame him ? no i should blame myself for thinking " hey those hens for free are marans ? awesome because the marans cant defend themselves so well , lets put them in advantage and give those poor girls without anyhow being wanted a warm house ' , I so wish I never ever made that mistake , the blame ? on me ... and trust me on the fact I did course and even yell when that hen died into my arms , the last one , the first things I screamed and swore ? NEVER EVER WILL I BE SO STUPID AGAIN ! WHY ????? all those lifes gone on MY concious !! " after that I went first to the gym to try to get it out of my head and afterwords my farmneigbors asking them how to prevent it in the future and how to desinfect everything as in E-V-E-R-Ything , both helped me out here , my newly build coop ? burned to the ground ! the passed away chickens all in their fire as well and burried , the ground is first sprayed with something and after that the entire area turned and twisted and sprayed again , I can tell you that nothing grows there now , even the bushes are destroyed too and there are new coming that I am getting from a farmer , should be about today or tomorrow , also the quarantaine ? every waterer , feeder , all destroyed , he said " NO RISKS , cleaning is out of the question , just burning ! " and the roo ? he sits there with 6 young girls that just started laying about two weeks ago but seperated from them , even before all the trouble started (he never even met the new girls ) so him being sick is really out of the question if it comes on my hens wherefor I am really thankfull , even while I'm interested in another breed lol .

 

[Granny Hatchet]

WOW ! You went above and beyond to protect you new hens coming. Im sorry you lost your coop too.