⠀ Needing advice on feed!

[draye]

Need to know what all these ingredients are in my chicken feed:

Lysine
Methionine
Phosphorus

Reason I have been feeding layer with
Lysine @ .70%
Methionine @.25%
Phosphorus @ .60 %

Yesterday I got something a little different:

Lysine @ .77%
Methionine @ .34%
Phosphorus @ .50%

Which one is better? Both look like they are milled by the same mill.

When I was ordering my layer feed a lady at the register beside me overheard what I was asking the salesperson about the calcium in the feed, been getting some very thin shells lately. I do feed back egg shells and put in oyster shell yesterday. She told me told the new feed was better, for shell quality and production. It was a tad bit over $2.00 more in price.

 

[DaveOmak]

I think the analysis tags are made for each batch of feed.... the raw materials are added to the mix based on "best guess estimates" based on pre analysis..... then the final analysis is made and the tag reflects the final analysis.... which will vary from batch to batch....
If the feeds are from different outfits.... the price difference could reflect the cost of the individual ingredients.....

Nutrient Requirements of Poultry: Ninth Revised Edition, 1994 ( 1994 )

TABLE 2-1 Nutrient Requirements of Immature Leghorn-Type Chickens as Percentages or Units per Kilogram of Diet




White-Egg-Laying Strains

Brown-Egg-Laying Strains
Nutrient

Unit

0 to 6 Weeks; 450 ga 2,850b

6 to 12 Weeks; 980 ga 2,850b

12 to 18 Weeks; 1,375 ga 2,900b

18 Weeks to First Egg; 1,475 ga 2,900b

0 to 6 Weeks; 500 ga 2,800b

6 to 12 Weeks; 1,100 ga 2,800b

12 to 18 Weeks; 1,500 ga 2,850b

18 Weeks to First Egg; 1,600 ga 2,850b
Protein and amino acids
Crude proteinc

%

18.00

16.00

15.00

17.00

17.00

15.00

14.00

16.00
Arginine

%

1.00

0.83

0.67

0.75

0.94

0.78

0.62

0.72
Glycine + serine

%

0.70

0.58

0.47

0.53

0.66

0.54

0.44

0.50
Histidine

%

0.26

0.22

0.17

0.20

0.25

0.21

0.16

0.18
Isoleucine

%

0.60

0.50

0.40

0.45

0.57

0.47

0.37

0.42
Leucine

%

1.10

0.85

0.70

0.80

1.00

0.80

0.65

0.75
Lysine

%

0.85

0.60

0.45

0.52

0.80

0.56

0.42

0.49
Methionine

%

0.30

0.25

0.20

0.22

0.28

0.23

0.19

0.21
Methionine + cystine

%

0.62

0.52

0.42

0.47

0.59

0.49

0.39

0.44
Phenylalanine

%

0.54

0.45

0.36

0.40

0.51

0.42

0.34

0.38
Phenylalanine + tyrosine

%

1.00

0.83

0.67

0.75

0.94

0.78

0.63

0.70
Threonine

%

0.68

0.57

0.37

0.47

0.64

0.53

0.35

0.44
Tryptophan

%

0.17

0.14

0.11

0.12

0.16

0.13

0.10

0.11
Valine

%

0.62

0.52

0.41

0.46

0.59

0.49

0.38

0.43
Fat
Linoleic acid

%

1.00

1.00

1.00

1.00

1.00

1.00

1.00

1.00
Macrominerals
Calciumd

%

0.90

0.80

0.80

2.00

0.90

0.80

0.80

1.80
Nonphytate phosphorus

%

0.40

0.35

0.30

0.32

0.40

0.35

0.30

0.35
Potassium

%

0.25

0.25

0.25

0.25

0.25

0.25

0.25

0.25
Sodium

%

0.15

0.15

0.15

0.15

0.15

0.15

0.15

0.15
Chlorine

%

0.15

0.12

0.12

0.15

0.12

0.11

0.11

0.11
Magnesium

mg

600.0

500.0

400.0

400.0

570.0

470.0

370.0

370.0
Trace minerals
Manganese

mg

60.0

30.0

30.0

30.0

56.0

28.0

28.0

28.0
Zinc

mg

40.0

35.0

35.0

35.0

38.0

33.0

33.0

33.0
Iron

mg

80.0

60.0

60.0

60.0

75.0

56.0

56.0

56.0
Copper

mg

5.0

4.0

4.0

4.0

5.0

4.0

4.0

4.0
Iodine

mg

0.35

0.35

0.35

0.35

0.33

0.33

0.33

0.33
Selenium

mg

0.15

0.10

0.10

0.10

0.14

0.10

0.10

0.10
Fat soluble vitamins
A

IU

1,500.0

1,500.0

1,500.0

1,500.0

1,420.0

1,420.0

1,420.0

1,420.0
D3

ICU

200.0

200.0

200.0

300.0

190.0

190.0

190.0

280.0
E

IU

10.0

5.0

5.0

5.0

9.5

4.7

4.7

4.7
K

mg

0.5

0.5

0.5

0.5

0.47

0.47

0.47

0.47
Water soluble vitamins
Riboflavin

mg

3.6

1.8

1.8

2.2

3.4

1.7

1.7

1.7
Pantothenic acid

mg

10.0

10.0

10.0

10.0

9.4

9.4

9.4

9.4
Niacin

mg

27.0

11.0

11.0

11.0

26.0

10.3

10.3

10.3
B12

mg

0.009

0.003

0.003

0.004

0.009

0.003

0.003

0.003
Choline

mg

1,300.0

900.0

500.0

500.0

1,225.0

850.0

470.0

470.0
Biotin

mg

0.15

0.10

0.10

0.10

0.14

0.09

0.09

0.09
Folic acid

mg

0.55

0.25

0.25

0.25

0.52

0.23

0.23

0.23
Thiamin

mg

1.0

1.0

0.8

0.8

1.0

1.0

0.8

0.8
Pyridoxine

mg

3.0

3.0

3.0

3.0

2.8

2.8

2.8

2.8
NOTE: Where experimental data are lacking, values typeset in bold italics represent an estimate based on values obtained for other ages or related species.
a Final body weight.
b These are typical dietary energy concentrations for diets based mainly on corn and soybean meal, expressed in kcal MEn/kg diet.
c Chickens do not have a requirement for crude protein per se. There, however, should be sufficient crude protein to ensure an adequate nitrogen supply for synthesis of nonessential amino acids. Suggested requirements for crude protein are typical of those derived with corn-soybean meal diets, and levels can be reduced somewhat when synthetic amino acids are used.
d The calcium requirement may be increased when diets contain high levels of phytate phosphorus (Nelson, 1984).

 

[Chris09]

With out seeing the full analysis and list of ingredients as seen on the bags of the two feeds it's going to be impossible to tell you which feed is better.

Here is a example of what you should post. ----

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:
Crude Protein, Minimum 20.00%
Lysine, Minimum 1.00%
Methionine, Minimum 0.40%
Crude Fat, Minimum 3.00%
Crude Fiber, Maximum 5.00%
Calcium, Minimum 3.00% Maximum 4.00%
Phosphorus, Minimum 0.90%
Salt, Minimum 0.30% Maximum 0.80%

INGREDIENTS:
Grain Products, Processed Grain By-Products, Plant Protein Products, Porcine Animal Protein Products, Forage Products, DL Methionine, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Phosphate, Salt, Manganous Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Cobalt Carbonate, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfite (source of Vitamin K Activity), Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Choline Chloride, Ethoxyquin (a preservative).

 

[iawoodchip]

When you understand all the information in the last two posts, maybe it's time to invest in more chickens. (just kidding). I don't even understand what minerals and ingredients I eat, so I take a multi-vitamin.. This whole link has been interesting, separating out the correct information. Really wasn't too hard. LOL

 

[draye]

All right I'll try to get it all typed in tomorrow. I had most if typed in just now but I hit something and erases it all.

I'm trying to use my phone and it is hard to get it all typed in on it.

Stay tuned.
Thanks for the replies. Looking forward to what you have to say when I get it all typed in.

 

[DaveOmak]

All right I'll try to get it all typed in tomorrow. I had most if typed in just now but I hit something and erases it all.

I'm trying to use my phone and it is hard to get it all typed in on it.

Stay tuned.
Thanks for the replies. Looking forward to what you have to say when I get it all typed in.

Time for a printer/scanner......

 

[draye]

Can you believe it happened again. Something went wrong when I submitted it. I don't think I'm going to try again. I have a scanner but no home computer right now. Went kurpkunk.

Oh well I'm going to give this new stuff a try and see if it will improve their performance.


Thanks for trying to help me.

 

[matt44644]

Can you believe it happened again. Something went wrong when I submitted it. I don't think I'm going to try again. I have a scanner but no home computer right now. Went kurpkunk.

Oh well I'm going to give this new stuff a try and see if it will improve their performance.


Thanks for trying to help me.

Can you take a picture?

 

[draye]

Maybe you can read/see this.
The first two shots are the same feed. The $11.99 bag:

Next is the $14.95 bag:

Guess what I'm asking is if there is enough difference in the formulas to pay the difference,

 

[draye]

I've got the pictures posted. Anyone?