New El Paso Ordinance of puppy & kitten sales

[redhen]

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Why DONT you want an animal from the shelter?

Because i simply dont agree with the way MOST of them are run and what they do to the animals and the non-quality of life the animals have while in a shelter
... and also several other reasons that i wont get into here because i'll say some not nice things about money scams and animal abuse that folks wont want to hear..

I'd never ever put any animal in a shelter to suffer..i'd bring them to a vet to be put to sleep fist... you cant trust me 100% on that.
Just my opinion.. you dont have to agree with me.

 

[kla37]

I like having my purebred dog. A Soft Coated Irish Wheaten Terrier. She was very hard to find, but I had done a lot of research and decided that is the dog I wanted. I really don't like the unknowns that come with shelter dogs, esp grown ones. Ended up flying to NY to pick her up from her breeder's house. I have lived with a few shelter dogs, that roommates and friends had when I was younger, and I can say that there was only 1 really good one that was a great dog. I don't think there is anything wrong with pure bred dogs as long as it is done properly. It is the purchaser who has to insure that they only buy from a good breeder. We raised West Highland White Terriers when I was a kid. We had one dog who had 3 litters. The puppies were wonderful, and my mother did an excellent job taking care of them. She didn't make a dime off of it, after all the care from the vet and time put into caring and training them at home. She did it because she loved the breed and had a particularly wonderful one!

 

[sourland]

Redhen, I am in ABSOLUTE agreement with you. If for some reason a dog that leaves here is not suitable for a pet home, I will take it to my veterinarian and have it euthanized. It hasn't happened yet in 50 years of raising dogs, but that is my feeling for a variety of reasons.

 

[BlacksheepCardigans]

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Do you know how many 'purebred' dogs are in rescue programs at this very minute, who originated in 'best of the best' breeding programs? My purebred Doberman Pincher whom I adopted from the shelter came from a 'best of the best' breeding program. My purebred Cocker Spaniel, whom I adopted from the rescue who pulled him from the shelter after he was found as a stray on the streets of Houston as a ball of matted fleas, was from a 'best of the best' breeding program. My purebred Weim, whom my partner pulled from the kennels at a 'best of the best' breeding center with his own two hands during a seizure, came from a 'best of the best' breeding program.

Saying that the pet over-population can be improved by the 'best breeding' is likened to saying that China can reduce their overpopulation by the 'best breeding.'


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Landry-12 by ChristopherCoy, on Flickr

Since I breed show dogs and am very involved in rescue, I can tell you that the number of "best of the best" purebreds in shelters is somewhere between infinitesimal and none. Every good breeder has a return clause; every national rescue watches the shelters closely. We can ALL tell a show-bred dog immediately and they are not only pulled to the national rescue but it's considered a crisis and a huge effort is made to determine who bred it so they can go smack the heck out of whatever owner dumped the dog. I've pulled a bunch of dogs from shelters and every purebred has obviously come from a careless breeder or a puppy mill.

Your Cocker was not show bred. You'd have to post pics of your other dogs for me to be able to tell about them, but your Cocker has the wrong head to be from a show breeder. So it was not in fact from a "best" breeding.

Edited: If your Weim and your Doberman are the ones in your flickr feed, they're not show-bred either. Your Weim is built all wrong for a show-bred dog and the dead giveaway on your Doberman is that the crop is a pet crop, not a show crop. There's nothing wrong with debating the merits of breeder versus rescue. But please don't say that there are a ton of well-bred dogs in rescue, because it's just not true.

 

[Poulets De Cajun]

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Well thats great! Thank you for caring so much about the show bred dogs.... what about all the others? You know, like my Cocker with the wrong head. Y'all pulling those into rescue and making a fuss about those too?


The basic fact of the matter is that the law/ordinance as I see it is a good one, and as you see it is a bad one.


And as someone said a few posts back, 'you can't argue with irrationalism,' so I am going to gracefully bow out now.

 

[Poulets De Cajun]

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Some people would say that MOST middle easterners are terrorists, which is about as true as your statement on MOST shelters. Are there middle easterners who are terrorist, sure. Are there shelters that are poorly ran and treat animals inhumanely, sure. But blaming ALL of them isn't going to help solve the problem.

And I know I dont have to agree with you, just like you dont have to agree with me. It's what keeps the world spinning daily, and why I'm bowing out of the conversation. I've had the chance to say my piece....

 

[NellaBean]

This thread is downright ridiculous. Last I saw there was no "BAD DOGS ONLY" sign in front of shelters. To say MOST shelters are bad is like saying MOST hotels are bad. Why do I think most hotels are bad? Because I've been in 5 bad ones! Of the 8 million hotels in the country. Obviously they must all be bad.

I worked at a shelter for 7 years and volunteered a few years before that. Yes, there are plenty of bad dogs. Same as there are plenty of bad PEOPLE in this world. Guess all kids in foster care are horrible little buggars who should be shot rather than placed in homes, also.

 

[BlacksheepCardigans]

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Well thats great! Thank you for caring so much about the show bred dogs.... what about all the others? You know, like my Cocker with the wrong head. Y'all pulling those into rescue and making a fuss about those too?

Yes. American Cocker rescue is always PACKED. The rescues I've done are virtually all puppy-mill dogs (designer mixes and small fluffy dogs) except for an entire litter of terrier/dachshund crosses that I flew from Tennessee to New England and adopted out with my own personal breeder contract and safety net. This is not a do-gooder contest.

The reason you can say "I love Cockers" or "Isn't that just like a Weim!" or "I adore Dobermans" is because of good breeders. Responsible show and field breeders are the ones that make those breeds what they are, and keep them unique and functional. They do NOT allow their puppies to end up in shelters and they pull, foster, and adopt out many times as many rescues as most regular owners ever could.

I could sell each puppy for twenty grand and not make a living at it. I would have NO problem demonstrating that I don't make squat on puppies. But it's infuriating that I should HAVE to. What bothers me about any type of law like this is not the particulars of the law, but the fact that we've become a nation that thinks it's OK to act like animals are some mixture of children, fairies, and machines. You get insane advice like "Go to a shelter and the right dog will pick you," as though dogs are all-knowing holy mystical creatures who run their own eHarmony sites; no dog may ever die (because they're some kind of children); and yet they can never bark or bite or chew or do anything wrong, and heaven forbid they possess reproductive organs or act like they want to use them. They've become twisted angel/baby objects and every law we pass is based on that perception. It should be as ridiculous to pass a spay/neuter law for dogs as it would be for sheep. If we treated them like animals, expected the same thing of them as we expect of other animals, acknowledging that they're very special animals but animals nonetheless, bad breeders would go away all by themselves because their product is overpriced crap and people would not buy from them. It's because we turn them into bizarre people-replacements, where one cannot ever be better than any other one and nobody can say they have a "better" one than the other (because they're children, not dogs) that people ENDLESSLY go buy them from terrible breeders and then, when they don't feel like children anymore, serially dump them. A law like this only worsens that situation and won't remove any of the reasons that dogs end up dead in shelters.

 

[sourland]

Blacksheepcardigans, thank you for putting into print that which I am only capable of thinking. You do all serious dog breeders a great service. Thanks again, Sourland George.

 

[redhen]

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Some people would say that MOST middle easterners are terrorists, which is about as true as your statement on MOST shelters. Are there middle easterners who are terrorist, sure. Are there shelters that are poorly ran and treat animals inhumanely, sure. But blaming ALL of them isn't going to help solve the problem.

And I know I dont have to agree with you, just like you dont have to agree with me. It's what keeps the world spinning daily, and why I'm bowing out of the conversation. I've had the chance to say my piece....

Yep..we'll have to agree to disagree..