New Incubation Questions

[Mixed flock enthusiast]

Someone on here in Southern Indiana got some from a friend of hers there, I think. Perhaps she'll have keets next year.
I'm starting to think there's some sort of hex on me; " Thou shall only have 2 surviving keets at a time from this point forward." - it used to be six..I'm going backwards. (Apologies-joking around is my coping mechanism).
@My2butterflies live shipment arrrived right before my last hatch, so they were days older than mine. But we were having same issues at same time. Assuming mine was from the cracked egg, but hers weren't long in transit. Not implying it was breeder's issue. Possibly decreased faith in postal.
The Survivors are doing well this a.m., slept well, taking water. I moved them to brooder this a.m. after some adjustments to accommodate 2 . It was originally set up for several more. I was wondering how this would go with several growing birds if I keep them in over the winter. I know they could/should stay in incubator longer but it was messy from hatches & had drained through anti-skid pad to the tray. Take no chances.
I'm not sure what colors they are.
#6 has a bluish gray and tan intermingled. He has a very large dark spot on top of head w/lines on the sides of head, not top. belly & abt 1/2 of wings are white but not face.
#15 has white face,belly and wings, dark cap on head, no lines, and this a.m. I can see the down on back is a reddish tan. Last night I was seeing a coppery color in his head cap but not so much this a.m. yesterday he didn't seem to have much down at all, so big change this a.m.View attachment 2887579
I took pic w/phone, so hopefully it'll show true. If not I'll try w/flash but hate to do that to them. The second one is blurry so I cropped just so you could see his head better. The tan stands out a lot more on #6 in pics than in person. In person he's more of a bluish gray. Will try with flash later, just hate to do that to them
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Awwww little cuties!!! Please do well little ones! The upper one looks like a violet. Lower… brown?

 

[Sydney65]

Awwww little cuties!!! Please do well little ones! The upper one looks like a violet. Lower… brown?

Violet... that's what I was forgetting. #6 - definitely not brown. Gosh I wish you guys could see him. Will have to try another pic. No, he's some kind of blue or lavender.
If you look at GF site " Sky Blue," it says "solid blue"and then shows a pic w/ tan in the keet. Possibly same issue with transferring photos that I have where colors get distorted.
I read somewhere that a certain blue doesn't have stripe at eye. He does have stripe at corner of eye & 3 above eyes. But instead of going straight over top of head from the v of the beak, they are parallel over the eyes then angle off the side of it, like a badly drawn 7 with it's leg going \ <--that way to the side of his head, and those lines are divided by tan like a lavender. The breeder had coral blue, lavender, light blue, buff dundotte, brown, pied, , violet, and white.
(Yes, I am sitting here staring at him with them wrapped in their flower, snoozing away). I knew I should've copied all of that info from that guinea website.
He must be lavender bc I see no other blues with stripes. But it's a very gray-lavender.
Question...I keep seeing colors referred to as "breeds." Is that accurate?

 

[Mixed flock enthusiast]

Violet... that's what I was forgetting. #6 - definitely not brown. Gosh I wish you guys could see him. Will have to try another pic. No, he's some kind of blue or lavender.
If you look at GF site " Sky Blue," it says "solid blue"and then shows a pic w/ tan in the keet. Possibly same issue with transferring photos that I have where colors get distorted.
I read somewhere that a certain blue doesn't have stripe at eye. He does have stripe at corner of eye & 3 above eyes. But instead of going straight over top of head from the v of the beak, they are parallel over the eyes then angle off the side of it, like a badly drawn 7 with it's leg going \ <--that way to the side of his head, and those lines are divided by tan like a lavender. The breeder had coral blue, lavender, light blue, buff dundotte, brown, pied, , violet, and white.
(Yes, I am sitting here staring at him with them wrapped in their flower, snoozing away). I knew I should've copied all of that info from that guinea website.
He must be lavender bc I see no other blues with stripes. But it's a very gray-lavender.
Question...I keep seeing colors referred to as "breeds." Is that accurate?

I could be wrong, but I don’t think that different colors of guinea fowl represent different breeds since they aren’t usually kept as pure lineages… Maybe jumbos are a different breed?

 

[R2elk]

I could be wrong, but I don’t think that different colors of guinea fowl represent different breeds since they aren’t usually kept as pure lineages… Maybe jumbos are a different breed?

There are different breeds of guineas like Vulturine Guineas are a different breed than Helmeted Guinea Fowl.

Helmeted Guineas which include Jumbos are just different varieties based on colors and in the case of Jumbos the difference is size..

 

[Sydney65]

There are different breeds of guineas like Vulturine Guineas are a different breed than Helmeted Guinea Fowl.

Helmeted Guineas which include Jumbos are just different varieties based on colors and in the case of Jumbos the difference is size..

That's what I thought. Found it odd to see colors referred to as "breeds".

 

[R2elk]

That's what I thought. Found it odd to see colors referred to as "breeds".

Many people misuse the term breed. I was just reading a site that a person was referring to different kinds of plants as breeds.

 

[Sydney65]

Many people misuse the term breed. I was just reading a site that a person was referring to different kinds of plants as breeds.

Some went way beyond that, making attributes specific to "breed." If I find one I'm thinking of, I'll post.
In the meantime - Flash - #15's egg tooth was chipped went it came out.

 

[Mixed flock enthusiast]

Some went way beyond that, making attributes specific to "breed." If I find one I'm thinking of, I'll post.
In the meantime - Flash - #15's egg tooth was chipped went it came out.
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Awwww, cute little guys!!!!

 

[Mixed flock enthusiast]

There are different breeds of guineas like Vulturine Guineas are a different breed than Helmeted Guinea Fowl.

Helmeted Guineas which include Jumbos are just different varieties based on colors and in the case of Jumbos the difference is size..

Not that Wikipedia is the best source for this kind of info, but they list six species of guinea fowl. The helmeted is our species and is in a whole different genus (Numida) as compared with vulturine (Acryllium). I’ve seen pictures that claimed to be hybrids of the two species, but the vulturine seems to be quite different from the helmeted, with a different appearance, geographic range, temperature requirements, etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guineafowl

There are different subspecies of Numida meleagris. There is at least one old BYCs thread on the subspecies

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/numida-meleagris-chart-helmeted-guinea-fowl.255593/

There are some amazing pictures and drawings of the casques on different subspecies of guinea fowl:

http://www.blog.illustraciencia.info/2014/03/gallina-de-guinea-numida-meleagris.html

This paper talks a little about domestication of subspecies

http://www.summagallicana.it/lessic...- Gallina di Faraone - Gallina di Numidia.htm

So, there are multiple species and subspecies of guineafowl, but breeds are created by people within a domesticated species, like black copper marans and Rhode Island red breeds that are both the same species, Gallus gallus, subspecies domesticus.

 

[R2elk]

Not that Wikipedia is the best source for this kind of info, but they list six species of guinea fowl. The helmeted is our species and is in a whole different genus (Numida) as compared with vulturine (Acryllium). I’ve seen pictures that claimed to be hybrids of the two species, but the vulturine seems to be quite different from the helmeted, with a different appearance, geographic range, temperature requirements, etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guineafowl

There are different subspecies of Numida meleagris. There is at least one old BYCs thread on the subspecies

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/numida-meleagris-chart-helmeted-guinea-fowl.255593/

There are some amazing pictures and drawings of the casques on different subspecies of guinea fowl:

http://www.blog.illustraciencia.info/2014/03/gallina-de-guinea-numida-meleagris.html

This paper talks a little about domestication of subspecies

http://www.summagallicana.it/lessico/n/Numida meleagris - Faraona - Gallina di Faraone - Gallina di Numidia.htm

So, there are multiple species and subspecies of guineafowl, but breeds are created by people within a domesticated species, like black copper marans and Rhode Island red breeds that are both the same species, Gallus gallus, subspecies domesticus.

As far as breeds go, in the U.S. the APA lists Helmeted Guinea Fowl as one breed. They do not list any of the other breeds of Guinea Fowl since they only list the kinds that are being shown. At this time only Helmeted Guinea Fowl are being shown. They only list 3 varieties which are Lavender, Pearl and White although there are many more colors.

Wikipedia as a source is only as good as the person that contributed the information. Wikipedia on turkeys is full of lies because the person that contributed the information is a liar. Wikipedia was made aware of the lies and refused to correct the information.