New Point of Lay Hen - Pale/Wattle turned pale .....

[Canine and Co]

Today’s poop from Ginger! Please let me know what you think. Doesn’t seem quite as runny today!

 

[Wyorp Rock]

The yellow urates are concerning. Is she eating her normal feed?
Green can be from a number of things - not eating well, eating a lot of green foods, infection...

Were you able to find some Amprolium?

 

[Canine and Co]

They free range so there is a lot of grass etc to feed on! Not sure what she’s eating, the layers are always there for her to help herself, but she could be too nervous to go to them because of the others! Saying that I put some pellets and corn down the side of the shed where she likes to ‘hide’ and when I left - I found her pecking at them and then she pecked one of the other newbies away from the feeder - twice! So still pretty feisty. I look at it as a good sign (I’m desperately wanting and willing her to get better and pray the worming will help).

Also there was an egg in the hen house on the floor - one end of the egg had weak shell and was cracked - not sure if this was an egg she (Ginger) laid. The other hen/newbie has always laid in the nest (unless a sneaky squirrel was in there trying to run off with it).

I’ve put the cockerel and the two older hens on the other side of the paddock this afternoon. Just going now to see if she has ventured out any further.

I’ve found some coxoid online - but delivery isn’t for a week - due to Covid 19 everything takes a bit longer.

I have another hen who is separated from all the gang as she is poorly (suspect egg peritonitis - she is four years plus, penguin stance, stopped laying about 7 weeks ago, fluid built up in her belly which we drained - yellow liquid. She is eating regularly, but is starting to struggle walking. The reason for mentioning this is because her poop is also green and yellow - maybe not as strong a green though!).

Thanks again for all your help and advise - it is appreciated.

 

[Canine and Co]

Update - I now don’t think it was her egg as I’ve just seen an egg without a shell laid outside where she is!

Latest poop pic. In daylight it looks mainly green & white with a small bit of lighter greeny/yellow. Hard to get across in pic form.

She’s still staying in the safety of the shed - although she’s just gone off as I’ve got there.

Thanks again

 

[Canine and Co]

Update from tonight - whist waiting for them to settle in bed, Ginger went to eat some layers pellets and some corn. After syringing day 3 of flubenzole I left her a few little treats by her nest and she ate them too. So I can say she does have an appetite from what I have seen today. I will see how she is tomorrow.

 

[Canine and Co]

Today's update - Ginger has been similar, but since moving a dedicated feeding station to where she is - I can see that she is eating. I didn't need to syringe the Flubenzole tonight as I had seen her eat some of the scrambled eggs I put some powder into.

Her symptons are pretty much the same in that she:-

Has a pale comb/wattle
Doesn't wander about - stays in one small area
is light as a feather
does ruffle her feathers somewhat
has a green/cream/yellow runny poop

Otherwise, she can be feisty - pecking another chicken away from the feeder (not treats - just the feeder ironically). She didn't go to bed in the nest where she normally does, instead she went up on the perch near the other hens. Her vent area still looks clean.

I have put apple cider vinegar in their water, she had red mite powder about a week ago, she is onto day 4 of the worming treatment. The coop has been power washed a few days ago. Their bedding area/nest/perches are cleaned daily - always have been. I have ordered Coxoid which I expect to arrive within the next 7 days. I have also ordered a faeces sample kit to send off (they also test for Coccidiosis).

@Wyorp Rock - If there is anything else I can do in the meantime - please let me know - as I have said I appreciate your time and advice.

Donna

 

[Canine and Co]

Update:-

I thought I would give an update with how my hen (Ginger) is - in case anyone experiences anything similar - it may help.

Ginger is noticeably better - she has now finished her 7 day worming and day 8 and 9 there is a pink tinge coming back to her face, comb and wattle. Not quite the red it was - but definitely not as pale as it was. Her behaviour, whilst still keeping to a small area during the day instead of exploring, it is better in that she is a bit more confident at coming forward for a treat. At night she has been going to the perch with the others rather than hiding in a nest box - this I see as another positive! She is also eating and drinking. She hasn't really laid an egg yet (from my knowledge - apart from a shell-less one last week). She is young but should start laying - when in full health I presume.

Having said all that - I know she isn't 100% right, but an improvement is an improvement.

A couple of days ago I sent a sample of her faeces off to a Lab to be checked for Coccidiosis and I should get the results back soon. I have now received an order of Coxoid - but I am holding off starting that treatment on account that she is starting to improve and that it won't be long before I get the results hopefully. If the results from the lab confirm Coccidiosis - then I will let you know and start the treatment for that. I am praying it was just a bad case of worms - but we'll see.

Thanks again to all who sent advice.

 

[Canine and Co]

@Wyorp Rock

I have the results back from the Lab and little Ginger does have levels of Coccidiosis in her. I must admit that it surprised me because since being wormed - her colour has come back, she is eating and drinking and exploring again (back to her flighty, feisty young self. even her stools have gotten better - no longer as yellow/green and never any signs of blood). (The lab reported no worms in her faeces test).

So, bearing this in mind, I would like any advice to treating her (I have a bottle of Coxid ready).

If I syringe her - then I can make sure she is getting the treatment without separating her. Does anyone know how much to give and how much water or give it neat in the syringe? Is there an egg withdrawal period of 28 days? She is only one of two blue egg layers - so I can spot their eggs (if she starts to lay over the next month). I don't think she has started to lay an egg properly (but I think stunting development is possibly a symptom of Coccidiosis?).

She already runs away when she see's me coming - she will hate me even more after this! Bless her.

Any help - gratefully received.

Thank you.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I have the results back from the Lab and little Ginger does have levels of Coccidiosis in her. I must admit that it surprised me because since being wormed - her colour has come back, she is eating and drinking and exploring again

So, bearing this in mind, I would like any advice to treating her

If I syringe her - then I can make sure she is getting the treatment without separating her. Does anyone know how much to give and how much water or give it neat in the syringe? Is there an egg withdrawal period of 28 days?

Did the vet indicate that the levels of Coccidia was high or just that it showed up?

If there is an overload, I'm not sure if just syringing her once a day would do the trick. The mixed solution is designed to be the sole source of drinking water for 7 days. A direct oral drench could be given but that is generally in addition to the chicken drinking the water throughout the day as well.

@casportpony may know what would be most effective and if a daily drench would be sufficient.
In the US there is no withdrawal period for using Amprolium, but since you are in the UK withdrawal periods may be different.
https://poultrykeeper.com/poultry-medication/coxoid-coccidiosis/

 

[Canine and Co]

They said there were high levels! I was just so surprised because she is virtually back to how she was when first arrived a few weeks ago. She is back roosting with the others instead of hiding in a nest box and I guess I’m concerned that separating her for 7 days would put her back.

I understand she’d be drinking Un-medicated water as well, but as long as she gets what she needs (of the coxoid) would that be ok or does it not work like that?

I’m not 100% on the Egg withdrawal period - they’re only for our own consumption. Is there anything in it which may be bad for us? Could I feed the eggs back to the hens ie scrambled (when she starts laying that is).

Excuse the questions in 8 years I’ve never experienced this disease before.

Thank you.