New puppy

[townchicks]

It's a training tool, and like anything, can be misused and make things worse, not better. If used correctly in the right situations, it's very helpful.

It is a training tool, the problem is, most people use them as a shortcut, and have no idea how to use them properly, or how to even train a dog. In the hands of an amateur it's not a tool, its a torture device.

 

[centrarchid]

Lets see this dog in action.

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

I have kept my newest puppy on a long line so I can control her. It will take months of consistency for everything you teach to stick. A firm no, and redirection with treats or praise works well. A shaker can can be another option.

I personally would never use a shock collar on a border collie unless extremely necessary. They are a highly sensitive breed to corrections and they want to please you. Make sure it's also getting plenty of exercise. A tired puppy is a better behaved puppy.

Most puppies take a year or two to learn everything and to be consistent and trustworthy. They can only know what they are taught.

 

[Folly's place]

I'll make one more comment about shock collars, and then stop.
ANY training tool can be misused, even treats. How many fat spoiled unmanageable dogs have you met? I've met more than a few, because their people didn't know how to use that tool either.
What works for one dog may be a poor choice for another. I wasn't suggesting any one item as the answer for this puppy, or any other, but there's more than one way to succeed, and more than one doggy personality.
The end.
Mary

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

I'll make one more comment about shock collars, and then stop.
ANY training tool can be misused, even treats. How many fat spoiled unmanageable dogs have you met? I've met more than a few, because their people didn't know how to use that tool either.
What works for one dog may be a poor choice for another. I wasn't suggesting any one item as the answer for this puppy, or any other, but there's more than one way to succeed, and more than one doggy personality.
The end.
Mary

I meant no offense, hopefully none was taken. I have used a shock collar. It is a useful tool for an experienced person. Every dog is different. You just gotta figure out what works best for each one.

 

[centrarchid]

There are alternatives to using shocking collars and treats. I use neither. The leash is used only in the early stages. Ultimately, I want dogs chicken safe even when I am not around. Tools I use are appropriately time verbal commands and petting. Even those can be misused as done it myself. With each successive dog I have gotten better. It is likely not all approaches are the same, but likely multiple approaches can get you where you want to go. I have a litter of pups coming in a couple of months and I am eager to use what has been learned previously to do a better job getting new dog trained up and into rotation faster and more smoothly than done before.

It is really sweet to be able to have a broody hen with juvenile offspring that can roost on ground near front porch with no protection beyond a pack of dogs that sometime sets up to bark or howl no more than 10 feet away.

 

[Folly's place]

Exactly! No one method is perfect for every dog, or for reaching every goal in training.
Mary

 

[centrarchid]

Exactly! No one method is perfect for every dog, or for reaching every goal in training.
Mary

I think it is no one method is perfect for every trainer. The trainer often needs more training than the dog.

 

[chickens really]

My Border Collie/Aussie had a shock collar. I had to use it only when I went out riding my Horse because he would get so excited he would try to jump and bite my horses nose. It definitely worked and he learned.