new research debunks trad views on nutrition

[Kiki]

Total went from 241 to 220. I'd have to go look up the numbers for the LDL, but it dropped 20 or 22 points as well.

Thanks. I was thinking you meant those were the LDL numbers and I was worried for you.

 

[Kiki]

Total went from 241 to 220. I'd have to go look up the numbers for the LDL, but it dropped 20 or 22 points as well.

I will be having my tested again this month.
These were my numbers in 2022. I am very curious to see what has changed.

 

[EmmaDonovan]

what I've read concurs with this.

please do - it sounds so funny!

I used to feed dried mealworms before I started a mealworm farm, and there was a very strong smell when the sack was first opened. Fresh mealworms do not have this issue; they don't smell of anything as far as I can tell.

The dried mealworms we get smell exactly like corn chips. Which I find rather disturbing.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

The dried mealworms we get smell exactly like corn chips. Which I find rather disturbing.

Heh. Smell is a funny thing. People whose car has been struck by lightning will sometimes say that the (fried) engine computers smell like popcorn afterwards. [please don't ask me how I know]

 

[Kiki]

Heh. Smell is a funny thing. People whose car has been struck by lightning will sometimes say that the (fried) engine computers smell like popcorn afterwards. [please don't ask me how I know]

A melting plastic grocery bag stuck under a car smells horrible too.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

A melting plastic grocery bag stuck under a car smells horrible too.

yes, that's completely unlike pcm/bcm/ecm + lightning. So I've been told.

 

[Sally PB]

People whose car has been struck by lightning will sometimes say that the (fried) engine computers smell like popcorn afterwards.

Interesting. My laptop smells like popcorn right now. Or maybe it's just the proximity to the big bowl of popcorn I'm having for dinner...?

I'm an adult, so I can have popcorn for dinner if I want to. My mom said so when I was 6 years old.

 

[RoyalChick]

Interesting. My laptop smells like popcorn right now. Or maybe it's just the proximity to the big bowl of popcorn I'm having for dinner...?

I'm an adult, so I can have popcorn for dinner if I want to. My mom said so when I was 6 years old.

As this thread is supposed to be about chicken nutrition I feel obliged to point out that chickens like popcorn for dinner too.
I know, I know, I am a big culprit in derailing the thread.

 

[Perris]

I just started listening to this for the third time today.
Don't pay attention to the title.
I find that it is extremely informative.

when does she get to the point? I haven't got 2 hours to spare and I find teasers and abrupt cutting annoying

 

[BDutch]

Another section worth excerpting is on p.13 of that paper:
"olive oil demonstrated a nearly 10-fold wide variability in the percentage of
LA and the vast majority of commercial olive oil, and avocado oils, are adulterated with seed oils. A recent study evaluated 89 olive cultivars and found a range of 3% to 27% levels of LA [142]. Tests have also revealed that anywhere from 60 to 90% of the olive oils sold in American grocery stores and restaurants are adulterated with cheap, oxidized, omega-6 vegetable oils, such as sunflower oil or peanut oil, or nonhuman-grade olive oils, which are harmful to health in a number of ways [143].
Although this problem is concerning, instead of avoiding all cooking oils (e.g., vegetable and seed oil), healthier choices include those that have been used for centuries, such as butter and beef tallow. In addition to containing the lowest LA content, these sources of fats also provide the fat-soluble vitamins A, D, and K2."

That apart, it was a pleasant surprise to see lard looked an even better choice than olive oil, and even more surprising to see butter was best of all the oils in table 2!

Thanks @Krugerrand for posting the link to that paper. It's very heavy going in parts, but worth the slog.

Two days ago a scientist on nutrition wrote an article in NRC a good Dutch newspaper. Translated with Google.

Unhealthy distrust of oils

MARTIJN KATAN
Intro
In their fight against seed oils, people like Robert Kennedy Jr. invoke outdated ideas. That will not do public health any good.

Published on February 20, 2025

Martijn Katan is a biochemist and emeritus professor of nutrition at the Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam.

Robert Kennedy Jr. has been appointed Trump's Minister of Health. What does this mean for the health of Americans? Kennedy wants to do something about fattening industrial foodstuffs and that's good, although the question is whether his approach works. Kennedy also wants to take action against seed oils. What are they and are they as bad as he claims?

'Seed oils' is not a scientific concept. It is a swear word of food gurus for vegetable oils such as sunflower, corn, soybean and rapeseed oil. According to them, they would cause myocardial infarctions, strokes, obesity, Alzheimer's, rheumatism and cancer. And Parkinson's, juvenile pimples, infertility, asthma and brain fog. In reality, no foods have been studied as thoroughly as these types of oils, and it turned out that they reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease without harmful side effects.

Kennedy and his followers have no message to this scientific consensus. They see conspiracies everywhere. With seed oils, their distrust is towards the food industry, the government and university science. Yet food gurus like to use scientific-sounding arguments in their fight against seed oils. They invoke the danger of oxidized substances in the body that would be formed by seed oils, the lack of omega-3 fatty acids considered beneficial in some oils and 'chronic inflammation' that would be stimulated by seed oils.

Years of experiments

The hypothesis that oxidized substances in the body cause cardiovascular disease and cancer seemed very attractive forty years ago; I did research on it myself. But eventually, after years of experiments on tens of thousands of people, it turned out that reducing oxidized substances through antioxidants is not good for health. A second argument of food gurus is that harmful substances can be formed when frying in seed oils. However, these are tiny amounts that do not affect health. The argument that seed oils contain too few omega-3 fatty acids does not cut wood either; the effect of omega-3 fatty acids on cardiovascular disease ultimately turned out to be an illusion. A final argument against eating seed oils is that they lead to 'chronic inflammation'. In addition, health preachers mainly point to the omega-6 fatty acid linoleic acid, the main component of many oils. However, in large-scale controlled experiments, linoleic acid-rich oils have no effect on the occurrence of inflammation in humans. By the way, it is questionable whether those inflammations matter, because suppressing inflammation does not or hardly lead to fewer diseases.

This is not the whole article , but it does tell the most important things.
Source;
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/02/20/ongezond-wantrouwen-tegen-olien-a4883596
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/02/20/ongezond-wantrouwen-tegen-olien-a4883596