new research debunks trad views on nutrition

[Geena]

I've never tried protein shakes, but I use a glass of milk for the same purpose.

Cow's milk is not a perfect food for humans, but last time I checked it could give all my protein with about half my calories and a reasonable selection of other necessary things. (The protein/calorie ratio obviously changes depending on the fat content of the milk, and the activity level of the person.)

The most obvious problem with cow's milk for human food is that it's low in iron, and has no fiber at all. So if I'm going through a stretch where I drink a lot of milk, I make an extra effort to have iron-rich and fiber-rich foods at reasonable intervals.

I love a nice big glass of ice cold milk. Crack an egg in it, add a couple of handfuls of fresh spinach, blend and you'll be good to go on fiber and iron.

 

[Shadrach]

I enjoy eating a varied diet too, although I generally avoid salt, sugar and gluten. But I've always wished for a "complete" human kibble of sorts that I could munch on when I'm not very hungry and don't feel like cooking. I usually just drink a protein shake at times like that, but they contain too much sugar for my liking.

Fixed that for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

 

[Geena]

Fixed that for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

 

[Sally PB]

It's people! It's people!

Couldn't resist...

 

[tranquiliti]

Fixed that for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

I’m going to have nightmares now… didn’t see that coming!

 

[Perris]

To bring the thread back on track, and in particular remind readers that ultra processed foods are associated with poor health outcomes, some more little quote and examples from Spector:

p.27 changing the matrix of the nuts, from whole almonds to powdered almonds, for example, by crushing and destroying their structure, changes both the blood lipid levels and energy levels six hours after eating from the same amount of whole almonds… this shows how the different forms in which they are eaten have crucial health consequences but aren’t reflected in their calories or fat levels... p.32 eat foods in their whole, natural form to maintain the optimal matrix... p.59 In a traditional market we can see, smell and touch the food itself instead of having to trust the labels on the packet.

 

[Perris]

I think I've got to the bottom of the issue in posts #301 - 307 , repeated here for convenience: "

Strange authorities you have.
On the other hand … The Belgian government had a campaign several years ago to buy a few BY chickens and give waste food (not rotten or bad) to your chickens.

Actually this legislation was passed in 2014 when we were in the EU, so I'm surprised it's different in the Netherlands "

According to this paper https://doi.org/10.1016/j.heliyon.2023.e14021 the rules have been relaxed in the EU since we left. The Introduction to the paper has a good concise overview of the BSE legislation to date, and the rest of it offers arguments for rolling back some of the legal over-reaction to it.

 

[Geena]

To bring the thread back on track, and in particular remind readers that ultra processed foods are associated with poor health outcomes, some more little quote and examples from Spector:

p.27 changing the matrix of the nuts, from whole almonds to powdered almonds, for example, by crushing and destroying their structure, changes both the blood lipid levels and energy levels six hours after eating from the same amount of whole almonds… this shows how the different forms in which they are eaten have crucial health consequences but aren’t reflected in their calories or fat levels... p.32 eat foods in their whole, natural form to maintain the optimal matrix... p.59 In a traditional market we can see, smell and touch the food itself instead of having to trust the labels on the packet.

Very interesting, thank you @Perris , I eat a lot of almonds but wasn't aware of that.
More here for anyone who is interested.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5003169/

 

[Perris]

the chickens love little lawn daisy flowers

Since posting this I have discovered that the flowers of the common daisy (bellis perennis) have antibacterial, anti-inflammatory, anti-oxidant and anti-hyperglycemic properties; the chickens could probably teach us a thing or two about gut health and natural remedies.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.hermed.2016.11.003

 

[Perris]

more on edible flowers; not on their nutritional profile, but worthy of inclusion because of who made the observation and when:

https://www.nature.com/articles/009482a0

The chickens eat the primrose leaves and the flowers here, without detriment apparently, as there are more plants in the lawn year on year.