new research debunks trad views on nutrition

[Molpet]

We don't need salt. There is already too much salt in everything we eat. Unprocessed meat and fish already have all the salt we need. We'd need salt only if we ate a goat's or a horse's diet.
Grey salt is still 99% salt so it's not an excuse to use more of it.
Last but not least, we don't need carbs. We need fats and protein. There are essential amino acids, essential fats, but there is no such thing as essential carbs. Inuits and keto diets are a proof that we don't need carbs to live a healthy life.

Everyone is different.

Some People with long covid have found they need more electrolytes, including what's in salt. Same with low BP

 

[saysfaa]

... could be of interest to some - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10459412/

Thank you

 

[Iluveggers]

Maybe. Maybe not.

How much meat/fish do you need to eat to get enough salt? I'm by no means a vegetarian but I am not eating nearly as much animal products as I used to. They are, with very few exceptions, acidifying. That is another fad thing, I think, but I lost two inches of height in the two years following a diagonsis of early onset osteoporosis... I have to do something different. The thing I found that seems the route with the best chance of helping me includes an acidifying diet along with a given exercise program. Maybe most people eat enough meat; maybe not as many as might be assumed.

My friend bought into the keto diet. Did it whole hog for several years and ended up with worse heath. She eventually figured out there are things in grains that we need. Or at least she does. I don't know what. She probably does; she does more research than I do. She's doing better now that it is a couple of months since adding in some grains. I don't think she changed much else.

Inuits don't eat only meat and fat and never did. They ate a much higher percent of meat than most other peoples but did it work well? Surviving for a while on it doesn't mean it works well. As we know from the junk most people are eating these days. And if it did work well, is that because they also ate the organs or had some other pieces to the diet that complemented the meat? Or because they lived/worked in arctic cold? Or because of physiological differences? Or a combination.

Reading biographies of people who have eaten all meat diets.... it doesn't work well at all for at least some people. Severe constipation is one of the first indications but that might be because they weren't eating enough fat with the meat. I do think it might work well for a few people - I believe a few people who have said they have been on what they call a carnivore diet for many years and feel better than anything else they tried. I don't know it they've had their bone density checked, though.

Not sure what type of diet or food restrictions you are on.

When I started my health journey, I went full vegan. It ended when I had extreme fatigue and was supplementing with more than I was eating daily.

I then became vegetarian, adding in seafood and eggs. Still felt like something was missing. Went back to my "original diet", mostly whole food with some processed food sprinkled in. Lots of grains and sourdough breads.

Ended up with tons of inflammation. Was told I might need surgery. Thought I may have an autoimmune disease. Did a complete 30 day elimination diet. I've added everything back successfully except gluten. Have been gluten free since. Inflammation is gone. Had some problems with regularity until...

Current diet: Every single morning without fail I have 24 oz of water upon waking. Then 2 small cups of coffee with A2 grassfed cows milk. I walk/jog/exercise if there is time before my day has to start. I eat sheep milk yogurt with a handful of organic blueberries and a handful of 85% dark chocolate chips. Nothing else until lunch. I was worried about dairy but this has been a clear difference in my gut. I have a horrible issue with coconut and nuts, (the other options for yogurt), and sheep yogurt has been touted as having many health benefits. The probiotic boost seems to set everything right for the day.

Lunch and dinner consist of mostly wildcaught seafood, meat or eggs and veggie meals. All local, pasture raised, grassfed meat from local farms. Veggies are grown here at my house or organic, preferably from a local farm if in season. Eggs are from my backyard. I cook almost everything I eat from scratch, and use avocado oil, tallow, or grassfed butter when heating food, and olive oil if not heating. I season everything myself with individual spices/herbs (no packets). Summer is more raw salads, winter is more cooked, but we eat both all year long leaning more toward what is available seasonally. About 70% of lunch and dinner are vegetables, with a sprinkling of fruit or avocado, the rest is animal protein. I add fermented veggies whenever appropriate to the meal.

As a treat once a week I will have gelato/ice cream (with no gum or artificial flavors added...theres a few good sources I have found)

The only "grains" I eat are a gluten free pasta (when making veggie/meat sauce to put on top), or Siete tortilla chips made with organic ingredients and avocado oil (for taco night...as I don't eat gluten I make nachos when the boys have flour tortillas).

We are very selective with restaurants, as I have had stomach/headache trouble when we veer away from the few that we know have what we are looking for.

It is time consuming, but rewarding to know that I felt my body breaking down and rebelling, and was able to "fix" myself. It can be a pain, but I don't even hesitate in wanting some of my old favorites...I feel amazing, sleep good, rarely hurt, and skin is clear. Seems a small sacrifice for good health. I thought I was doomed with pain forever.

Not saying this will work for everyone, but if you are having any issues with autoimmune scares or inflammation or gut health, diet can certainly help. What sets me off may be different than someone else. The liquid fast at the beginning of the elimination, and slowly adding things in was long and greuling, but totally worth the month of sacrifice. Things I will never eat again: dyes, gums, seed oils, factory raised meat, folic acid, gluten. Things I severly limit: other grains, most processed dairy, nuts in more than small amounts, gluten free breads. I eat as much of everything else as I want and find that I want to eat less than I used to. I save fruit for the end of a meal only because of the sugar.

I hope anyone who is having problems with their health can figure it out! I have lots of book recommendations if anyone wants to message me. Feeling grateful...almost like life is giving me a second chance!

 

[Molpet]

Did a complete 30 day elimination diet. I've added everything back successfully except gluten. Have been gluten free since. Inflammation is gone.

2012 I had bloodwork that showed 27 things I was intolerant to. I cut them out as I finished them up. The wheat and cow milk products ended up making the biggest difference. Most of the gluten/dairy free products have unhealthy ingredients.

 

[Mother of Chaos]

2012 I had bloodwork that showed 27 things I was intolerant to. I cut them out as I finished them up. The wheat and cow milk products ended up making the biggest difference. Most of the gluten/dairy free products have unhealthy ingredients.

Interesting! Do you remember the name of the specific lab test? I’d be very curious to read up on this!

 

[saysfaa]

Not sure what type of diet or food restrictions you are on.
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I bought a program that includes two lists of foods. One is of alkalizing foods, the other is of acidifying foods. The idea is to eat quite a lot more alkalizing foods than acidifying foods. There is quite a bit more like explaining various aspects, a detailed but flexible cleansing diet for a week to get started, recipes, citations, and such. One of the goals was to be useful to people on many sorts of diets. So the lists are very long and there is little restriction about what to choose from each list - you figure that out from whatever other nutritional guidelines you use.

Why a given food is on one list or the other often doesn't make much sense to me yet. And the lists from this program don't completely line up with such lists from other sources. It seems nearly everything I used to eat a lot is on the acidifying list (except apples, thankfully). Even most of my favorite fruits and veggies are the exceptions to the general rule that fruits and veggies are alkalizing.

It doesn't conflict with my previous diet guidelines... which are quite patch-worked from various sources (if "sources" is the right word).

Things I will never eat again: dyes, gums, seed oils, factory raised meat, folic acid, gluten. ...

The folic acid there really caught my attention. I see the other things among things people don't eat fairly often but I don't know if I've seen that before. Except for my daughter. She found out about a year ago that she has a gene mutation that results in an inability to process the most common form of folic acid in supplements. It can build up to toxic levels. She can take the less common form with no problems.

 

[Molpet]

Interesting! Do you remember the name of the specific lab test? I’d be very curious to read up on this!

ETA
I think this is the lab. But the DR I went to took several vials of blood. These are talking about finger prick.
Home - Immuno Labs https://share.google/THDG37kP9WPuXcvJ1

 

[Mother of Chaos]

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ETA
I think this is the lab. But the DR I went to took several vials of blood. These are talking about finger prick.
Home - Immuno Labs https://share.google/THDG37kP9WPuXcvJ1

Thanks!

I don’t know if you usually share your name here, but if not, you might want to scratch that out as well as your DOB.

Stinks about the +4 eggs!!

 

[Molpet]

Thanks!

I don’t know if you usually share your name here, but if not, you might want to scratch that out as well as your DOB.

Stinks about the +4 eggs!!

Name is ok. DOB wasn't.
homegrown eggs don't seem to bother me.

 

[Cebarmlds]

Folate is the real deal, folic acid is a synthetic.