Newbie - Pullet with Impacted Crop?

BigECarter

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1) What type of bird , age and weight (does the chicken seem or feel lighter or thinner than the others.) - Orpington, 11 weeks, will weigh later but she is 2/3 the size of her two hatch mates. She feels very skinny. About the size of a dove or pigeon.
2) What is the behavior, exactly. Active, but not as much as the rest of flock. She is eating and drinking. Sometimes lethargic, stands with eyes closed. Wings tend to hang down more than the other pullets. I have seen her raise her head in the air and twist her neck around a few times.
3) How long has the bird been exhibiting symptoms? She was smaller when I brought her home two weeks ago.
4) Are other birds exhibiting the same symptoms? No.
5) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma. No.
6) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation. Don't know.
7) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all. Medicated starter, water.
8) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc. Newbie, still learning what normal is. She is isolated tonight, so will be able to check her poop in morning.
9) What has been the treatment you have administered so far? None.
10 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet? Not sure. I don't think she will make it to vet so would prefer to treat myself. Vet if surgery is required.
11) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.
12) Describe the housing/bedding in use Three sided coop/covered run, sand.

I tried to feel her crop - I think it is empty, despite her eating today. I think there might be a hard mass in her crop - it feels like a bone. I'm thinking about trying olive oil and massaging, but am afraid that the "mass" might actually be a bone and I might hurt her. She was moved from a brooder to a coop a couple of days before I got her. I believe also dirt. There were some weeds in the coop, and I hung a cabbage for them (but couldn't tell that they ever pecked at it). I looked for mites, lice, etc., didn't see anything. I have not noticed any of the other pullets/roo pecking at her. I have 8 pullets and a roo, 140 sq ft. All the same age, but the two english orpingtons are easily 4 times larger than Echo, my problem girl.

I don't have a heat lamp - I could put a heating blanket under her crate on the lowest setting. Temperature in the house is 74, and she is fully feathered out.

This is Echo, on the left, a week ago. The other pullet is also a lavender orpington from the same hatch.





This is a picture of her from last weekend, so you can see how she holds her wings.


So, I am about to drag hubby off the couch and will try to give her some olive oil and/or water with a syringe, following the video that Terry at hencam.com posted on you-tube. Probably gentle massage tonight as I'm not positive it is an impacted crop and am afraid of hurting her. Will weigh her and will check her poop in the morning. If her poop looks normal, I will give her chick feed tomorrow. If not, maybe apple sauce and honey, egg yolk. Some threads say to withhold food, but I am afraid that this has gone too long for that.

Winging it! Any advice, or well wishes, are greatly appreciated.

- E
 
She is being very cooperative - left me a poop already:



So, I am thinking that is a normal poop which is a good sign. I also weighed her - 195 grams = 6.9 oz. That doesn't really mean much to me - I guess I will weigh her every evening and make sure she is gaining.

I checked her crop again - it felt very empty, or I couldn't find it. I think the bone is her keel. We gave her a couple of drops of olive oil, but no massaging. I think I will leave her in the crate tomorrow with food (maybe some scrambled egg in the morning) and see how her crop feels tomorrow night.
 
So Echo weighs a whopping 200 grams this evening, up from 195 last night. So at least she's not losing weight. I weighed one of the other lavender orps for comparison, she weighed 490 grams, so a big difference.

One thing new - when I picked Echo up, my finger put pressure on her crop from below and a brownish liquid came pouring out. So that sounds like sour crop. She is in the coop this evening - probably will separate her in the morning, empty her crop, and get her started on yogurt mixed with feed.

Anyone have any guesses as to if she will regain her size? Hopefully so, otherwise I am guessing we might lose her when she starts laying.
 
Nothing new. She still weighs 195 grams, three nights in a row now. I have tried emptying her crop, but nothing comes out. She seems to always be eating, and I haven't seen anyone picking on her, but I have separated her from the flock by cordoning off a corner. I am feeding her a mixture of feed and greek yogurt, with a sprinkle of meal worms. The empty water bottles are to block off the 1.5" gaps - she can squeeze through those.

 
After two days separate from the flock, with her own food and water, with some yogurt and meal worms, Echo has weighed 202 grams last night, and 208 grams tonight. So a steady increase.
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(Way too soon for the happy dance.) She hates being separated and spends her day trying to escape. She eventually figures out how to push the water bottles out of her way and squeezes out. I came home today and went to let her out, but she was already in the middle of a dust bathing love fest. I think that's a good sign, lots of spunk in her. Her feathers are darker and not as soft as the other two lavender orps. Definitely something not right. Time will tell, I guess.
 
When I went out to the coop this morning, Echo was laying next to the feeder, unable to stand. Hubby took care of her. I'm not sure that I could have. I guess I would have - you do what you have to.

My remaining eight chickens are growing and thriving. I am guessing that Echo wasn't the healthiest chick to begin with, and the stress of moving combined with my inexperience was just too much for her. Maybe if I had identified a problem earlier, or treated it more aggressively, she might have made it. Or maybe not.

Anyways, I want to thank BYC - I have spent many hours on the site learning everything I can. One thing that I noticed is that ailing chickens rarely have happy endings, so at least I was emotionally prepared, although I did shed a few tears.

- E
 
I am updating this thread for anyone who opens it after searching for impacted crop - I have a second pullet down, similar symptoms. Having a little more experience, I have learned that both pullets' crops were empty. Current thinking is cocci - which I had not considered since the pullets are on medicated feed and their poops are not bloody. Turns out that I was wrong to have dismissed it as a possibility.

Here is my follow-on thread, more geared to a cocci outbreak: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/801727/second-pullet-lethargic-first-didnt-make-it-please-help

- E
 

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