Newcastle. Or Blackhead. Peacocks, PLEASE HELP.

[KsKingBee]

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Yes, capillary worms. I PM'd Kathy, she may be here in a bit with better dosing suggestions. She will most likely want to know the age or weight of the birds.

 

[zazouse]

Sorry for your loss... Vaccines take time to work 30 days for some to build up an immunity to the disease and if they already have it then vaccine is not going to help them they will need medication and lots of hand feeding till they can eat and drink on their own..

Also some vaccines will need to be administered every year to be effective

 

[Peaphile]

That is true.

UPDATE:

Right now, they're getting Metranidazole [50 mg, roughly every 12 h.] It's the second day of medication.

They were fed [normal Bread and wheat bread] just now, and even the pied took the food in once we put it in its beak, but he doesnt seem to be better. Just sits and sleeps all the time, stands up occasionally.
He looks weak [obviously].

We'll weight them surely.

The other one [blue shoulder] is quite better. He drank from the bowl himself. He is walking around the house, is a little alert as well. The droppings seem to be lesser.

The third one [blackshoulder], who is fine and hasnt gotten this, he does 'occasional' the liquid watery yellow stuff, so we started him on Metranidazole too. Is that okay? He is eating and drinking by himself though, thank god.

AGES:

Pied and the black shoulder were born together. April 2013. We have them since. [which makes all of this a lot harder for us]. Anyways, so that makes them about 2 years and 2 months old.

The blue shoulder was a member of the other two that we lost. We got them around November 2013. and they were a few months old. He'll probably be 2 months and 7 or 8 months old. Not more.

IF YOU GUYS NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION, OR PICTURES FOR BETTER ADVICE, do let me know. I'll definitely take some.

 

[Peaphile]

Also, the blue shoulder sneezes a lot. Like a coughy-sneeze. Is there anything we should treat him for that? or will that cure itself?

and I wanted to share something else too.

When our first one died. [It was quite sudden, since when he was lethargic, we just thought he hurt himself, he used to do that alot. He was the most aggressive one. and a lot jumpier than anyone else]. Anyways,minutes before he died, he was gasping, like for air. He was on his side as if he couldnt keep himself up. We took him to the vet asap. Which is when the vet diagnosed them with Newcastle, which doesnt seem to be the case since the symptoms resemble Blackhead. and the fact that Newcastle strikes pretty fast, and my peas have crossed about four days after all the drama.

and there are no good vets around. This vet mostly treated cats and dogs and such. So, every little help from you guys would be enormous for us

 

[Peaphile]

This is not normal, is it? :'(

 

[DylansMom]

This is not normal, is it? :'(

No that's not a normal posture. Probably a response to pain. If this is Blackhead, his intestines are likely in very bad condition as well as his liver and it will just make them very uncomfortable, that is why they generally stop eating and drinking and we have to tube feed them to keep them alive long enough for the medicines to take affect. Poor boy, he is a beautiful pied and I hope you can get them all back to good health.

 

[KsKingBee]

Many people will see respiratory problems and not realize that it is a symptom and not the root cause. When a bird gets 'down' from cocci or worms secondary problems show up like the respiratory infections. Doing the treatments for worms will help more than anything, then you can take care of the sinus problem if it still exists.

I sent you a link to tube feeding, have you looked at it? It is not a hard thing to do and will extend the time your bird has to get better as well as making sure that it is getting the medications, fluids, and nourishment it needs to recover.

You can tell by the general appearance and the posture of the birds that they are in trouble and it is up to you to do something quickly or risk losing more of them. Not knowing for certain what is the problem is making knowing what to do more difficult. It is possible that you have more than one kind of worm or problem to treat for. I understand that your vet is not up on birds, but he should be able to do a fecal float test as it is the same as any vet should do for cats and dogs. Another test he should be able to do is a gram stain, some call it a fecal stain, that one will tell if there is a bacterial infection, which strain, and then you know which antibiotic to administer.

Call your vet and ask about these two tests, here they are fairly inexpensive and the first thing I do when facing problems in my flock. While you are on the phone with the vets office as if they have a catheter around the size 30 French and a 60 ml syringe with a large tip on the end. That is all the equipment you need to tube feed your birds.

 

[casportpony]

How many mg are your metronidazole tablets?

-Kathy

 

[KsKingBee]

How many mg are your metronidazole tablets?

-Kathy

I think she said 50 mg, half a tablet every twelve hours. Isn't that a little light for a full grown bird?

 

[casportpony]

Quote: It's no where near enough. My hens get 200-250mg and the cocks get 400mg.

-Kathy