Niederrheiner Thread! All Colors!

[Sylvester017]

Hi Johnny! GFF sent me a copy of your e-mail and I would love to work with you on getting these guys into the APA! I am in CO and am NPIP. I have no experience showing, but am willing to learn. Here are a few photos from today (birds are 8 months old)

Nice pictures. I appreciate your reply. If you could email me at [email protected], I will send you my phone number and what we are needing to do to make this happen.
Johnny

Great going, guys! I love seeing breeds get into the APA!

 

[mandelyn]

I have a small batch of these coming this Spring from GFF, and I too was wondering if there was a breed standard for them to use as a guide when picking for the breeding pen. We have 5 different breeds coming, I'm the most excited for the Niederrheiner and the Twentse.

I do have a state side friend from Germany who might be able to help with any needed translations?

 

[UberchicRanch]

Yes @mandelyn translating the Niederrheiner standard will be very helpful! If your friend could do that, we'd be grateful!

 

[Vorksigan]

We need to accomplish the following:
1. Complete breed application and fee
2. Need 7 breeders who will commit to breeding Neiderrheiners for 5 years.
3. Each breeder needs to keep records of when they started raising them, hatching dates, breeding pairs/genetics and where you purchased your stock
4. Each breeder must be a member of the APA
5. Breed Standards- we can try to obtain a breed standard from another country or develop our own. We have contacted England and Ireland and could not locate a standard. We need someone that can read German to look on their breed standards to see if they have a standard. If not we can come up we a standard that at least 6 of us agree to breed for. We must be to produce approximately 30 birds to that standard to show/compete.
6. Show the above numbers in two shows designated by the APA. We must show birds in all 4 groups (roosters, hens, pullets and cockerels. The shores will be a year apart.
7. This is a multi year process

I would like to form a group and all of us decide which way is best to achieve a standard. Without a standards we can only keep records but we will not be able to show (which is a critical part).

We can keep posting here but I would like to have emails of those that are willing to commit to this process and even phone numbers? This would be a group effort and we would have to pick someone to speak for us with the APA.

I have a lot of show experience but that is with cattle and rabbit very little with chickens. I have been raising Neiderrheiners for about 20 months. I know others out there have had them as long as I have and one person have been taking them to show including this past weekend at Bluebonnet here in Texas.

Currently, I have including myself 3 persons here in Texas willing to commit and 1 in Colorado.

If you are interested please email me at jmnpen@sbcglobal and I will send you my cell phone number.

I will email this to those that have contacted me and will post where I can.
Please pass along to anyone that you think will be interested
Johnny Nail

 

[Vorksigan]

Mandelyn
Please ask your friend to go check out the German Poultry Association website to see if they gave a standard posted or a contact number or email. If so we a ready to go if not we will have to agree on our own standard.

I also wanted to clarify the number of breeders we need. We do need 7 breeders and enough to show about 30 birds per show.

 

[StephWind]

Johnny, I sent you an e-mail.

 

[mandelyn]

I am very interested in seeing this through! If this breed is our main focus, I can accommodate a flock of about 40 birds. My starter birds won't be coming until March, and then the grow out phase to see gender and type.

I've shown dogs before, but not poultry. Willing to put some travel into it, but Ohio does have a fair number of poultry exhibitors. Will need to become an APA member. Once I have the flock started I'll do the NPIP.

We should form a list of who has what and from where, to see about a strategy for swapping genetics as we find out what traits we're breeding towards. I have the space/means to house several small breeding groups as well as multiple roosters, establishing a spiral program.

In terms of establishing type, as soon as I know what the target is I can see the differences/variations in figures compared to it. It's a handy talent when evaluating stock. Or when I was a hairdresser and people showed a picture they wanted me to work from, or when building displays at work, or in photohunt games... LOL... It would be like a matching game! Which chicken fits the description best?

So I'll jump on the ball and see if a standard can be found, I lived in Germany for 3 years and used their internet to find local things. Maybe I can dig something up for my friend to translate more thoroughly than I could.

 

[Vorksigan]

I hope that I have replied to everyone's posts and emails? If I missed you I apologize.

Please everyone interested in this group even those that have emailed me (just making sure I have everyone), please email me the following information:
1. Your contact information (phone and email)
2. If I have your permission to put you in a group email ( which means releasing your info to the group)
3. When you started raising Lemon Cuckoos Neiderrheiners
4. Any experience showing chickens?
5. Any experience showing LCNs in AOSB?
6. Are you a member of the APA?
7. Any interest in formalizing our group into a committee? I am not hung up on being the group leader but I will if needed. Regardless, I will continue to work towards my goal.
8. Your state that you reside in

Update
We have several interested in this group which is great. We have folks that read German that are trying to locate the German Breed Standard. We also have a person that won AOSB with her LCNs this past weekend. I have asked her to draft a breed standard so that we all have a basis to work from. I hope she accepts the task? I am hopeful that we can get an original standard in order to stay true to the breed origins but we will not wait long to develop our own because this is a long process. Please take a look at your birds and begin to determine what traits you think we should strive to achieve.

I am glad to be part of this process.

Johnny M.Nail
[email protected]

 

[mandelyn]

My friend was able to find some things that don't come up for state side searches. She's also reaching out to a farmer friend of hers overseas to see if she knows anything about them or can help us out.

So far what I have gathered... courtesy of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niederrheiner and some other perusing...

200 Eggs a year
Beige to light brown shell color
Males 7lbs-9lbs, females 5lbs-7lbs.
"Medium sized, a full and well rounded shape"
Created in the late 1920's by Friedrich Regenstein and J. Jobs, recognized in 1943
Colors - Yellow (lemon to us?), Blue, Black, Splash, Birch, Barred

Breeds used in their creation include Faverolles, Plymouth Rocks, some sort of Belgian Fighter type, and Mechelen (Malines?)

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of information out there on them, German or otherwise.

 

[mandelyn]

As a side note, here is the German Poultry Association website... http://www.zdg-online.de/en/verband/

It seems you have to be a member to get to any information, as it doesn't show a search feature, only a log in spot.