North Carolina ban to Kill Numerous Breeds

[deerman]

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just another way to hide the facts......i just done the math of the 32 .....guess what 41% were from one breed PITS

But apparently you missed the sociological and behavioral significance of the details of those facts(poverty, feral dogs, chaining, and parents allowing a large dog access to their children)

No i didn't over look that......all those facts happen to the other breeds also...guess in the case of pits it makes them more of a killer.

MY WHOLE POINT pit bull attacks are more deadly...not saying the breed should be kill ,but people need to know the danger of a pit bull attack.

trouble most pit owners will not accept that fact.

 

[RHRanch]

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But apparently you missed the sociological and behavioral significance of the details of those facts(poverty, feral dogs, chaining, and parents allowing a large dog access to their children)

No i didn't over look that......all those facts happen to the other breeds also...guess in the case of pits it makes them more of a killer.

MY WHOLE POINT pit bull attacks are more deadly...not saying the breed should be kill ,but people need to know the danger of a pit bull attack.

trouble most pit owners will not accept that fact.

What this also tells us (implies) is that people who do those things/live that way are more likely to own pits, therefore more pits in those situations to become potential killers.

 

[deerman]

To all the member with pit bulls.......yes most are sweet loving pets....but if and when they do attack be it someone who is breaking into your home, or the kid hitting your child....their attacks are more deadly than any other breed. The sooner pit owner accept that the better for the breed.


I'm far from a hater of the breed, but i know i would have a hard time fighting one off...GS,and etc on the other hand, nice kick in the belly , can sent them running.

 

[vfem]

I have found compass's website to be very off on a lot of what they post. Not everything, but enough you can tell they don't read very far into things before they post.

With that said, I did see an update on this on the news (I live in NC) and they said it looks like the only way this will pass is if these animals brought to the shelter had attacked a person and show aggressive behavior as their reason to be brought in. I know that if that happens with these animals its the owners faults.

I really think it would make a lot more of a difference if they did background checks on people who wanted to own animals. And if someone abuses an animal, it has to go on their record so it can be seen. Anyone with a criminal record for spousal abuse, kid abuse... ect, won't be allowed to own an animal! If they are found with an animal, it should be removed!

 

[PurpleChicken]

We are missing one very important statistic and that is the actual ratio of Pitt breeds and mixes to other large breeds.

If we eliminate all the small breeds that don't have the killing ability larger breeds do then what are we left with? 20%, 30%, 40% of large breeds that contain some trace of Pitt in them? My guess would be at least 25%. If that is the case than a 40% kill rate would be exactly what should be expected and not above average.

I'd also like to point out that the test data, 32 events, is not a large enough pool to come to some of these conclusions.

Deerman did bring up a good point about the toy breeds. While they bite more often (in my opinion) they don't have the damage potential of larger dogs so should be removed from this discussion. If Poodles could kill (sounds like a tv show) they surely would.

Like I said before, if we eliminate all Pitts and Bulldog breeds then some other breed will step up and take it's place, unfortunately too often neglected and chained to a tree.

 

[PurpleChicken]

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I think most of us do accept that DeerMan. I adopted my Pitt mix because I knew shelters had a harder time placing them and he sorta called me too.

I was actually surprised how submissive of a dog he grew in to.

 

[deerman]

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No i didn't over look that......all those facts happen to the other breeds also...guess in the case of pits it makes them more of a killer.

MY WHOLE POINT pit bull attacks are more deadly...not saying the breed should be kill ,but people need to know the danger of a pit bull attack.

trouble most pit owners will not accept that fact.

What this also tells us (implies) is that people who do those things/live that way are more likely to own pits, therefore more pits in those situations to become potential killers.

Guess you will not accept pit attacks are more deadly...The GS is done the same, find just as many treated the same as those pits.

Not even saying the pit is the top breed to attack people, move all the facts around still show the pits are more deadly when they do attack.

41% of those killed by pit bull.

13% nearest to that.

just like i like game rooster to protect my flock.....why because just like a pit bull fearless and fight to the death if need be to save his hens.

 

[dainerra]

Actually, if you read the article the point is that you are more likely to be killed by your neighbor than his pit bull.

Do you know why they started crossing other breeds into the pitbull group? Because pits make HORRIBLE guard dogs. Th ey won't protect you if someone tries to kill you. they won't attack if someone breaks into your house in the midcdle of the nigh t. What kind of protection for a drug den is a dog that will lick the rival gangs to death?

I had class tonight, so I did a quick poll. There are 10 people at training. Average time spent in dogs wan 20+ years. 2 of those people breed Am. Staffs. I asked how many people knew someone who h ad been bitten by a pit. 3 people raised their hands. All the cases involved breaking up fights between dogs.

I asked the same question at work. There are 12 people there. 7 people knew someone who was bitten by a pit. Pretty damaging numbers right? Except that all 7 of them knew the same guy. His dog wasn't housebroken and he was "teaching it" not to potty inside by rubbing its face in the carpet and smacking it with a shoe when the dog bit him for "absolutely no reason".

The point of actually studying the numbers is to learn what leads to dog attacks, especially fatalities. Kids left unattended, chained dogs, and packs of roaming dogs top the list. All 3 of those are cured with 2 easy steps - education and common sense.

Think about the numbers for a second. 40% were pits? Less than 10 dogs out of how many pits in America? If those numbers were to hold up, there would be mangled bodies all over our cities. You couldn't walk outside without being attacked.
Instead, you find what we all already know. Small children shouldn't be left alone with dogs. Packs of roaming dogs are trouble.

 

[RHRanch]

Certainly a large dog can cause more damage. I have never said otherwise. What I am suggesting is that being a Pit Bull is not likely what causes dog attacks that end in death for victims. Correlation does not equal causation. Just because Pits may be involved in a large portion of bites/attacks/deaths, that does not mean that the breed is the cause. What I argue IS causal is the combined factors of the socioeconomic status, criminal and substance abuse patterns in the populations that disproportionally own Pit Bulls.

 

[deerman]

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I think most of us do accept that DeerMan. I adopted my Pitt mix because I knew shelters had a harder time placing them and he sorta called me too.

I was actually surprised how submissive of a dog he grew in to.

Thanks that all I'm try to get across.......heck my breed of chicken are games.....just like most game rooster wouldn't attack people like alot of other rooster,,manfighter were culled ...sure same with pit bulls.

i can easy break a manfighting rooster in any breed except game.


I really like the pit bull dogs also.......