Not Asking anything just making a statement

[Bigtom Turkey]

I didnt say anything about the human skull wether you like it or not the crested duck skull is a a deformity the causes the duck to suffer you can read it anywhere i dont care if your the president this website is about poultry and talking about poultry not what your job at home is

Its a duck. People kill rodents all the time who have more advanced nervous systems (they can fell pain and negative emotions better) and nobody cares about them, but the second somebody's pet is threatened everybody is up in arms.

 

[jpalmatier83]

Pugs are an abomination and crime against nature. Change my mind.

 

[A boy with ducks]

Its a duck. People kill rodents all the time who have more advanced nervous systems (they can fell pain and negative emotions better) and nobody cares about them, but the second somebody's pet is threatened everybody is up in arms.

Wel no one cares about rodents besides you

 

[Bigtom Turkey]

I don't care about rodents any more than I do ducks. I just find this whole thing quite funny.

 

[cheezenkwackers]

Pugs are an abomination and crime against nature. Change my mind.

I am not going there! Not when you said you have one and I have a “big headed” Golden who I love dearly! Pugs aren’t even mentioned in the book I referenced.

 

[A boy with ducks]

I am not going there! Not when you said you have one and I have a “big headed” Golden who I love dearly! Pugs aren’t even mentioned in the book I referenced.

Dude, there are hundreds of animals with disadvantages they’re not all going to be in one book

 

[A boy with ducks]

I will bite, please know I respect your opinion but I also love a good debate. If I understand you correctly you would like all crested ducks to go extinct?

I have a beautiful crested duck, I believe she is a Silver Swedish. I did not buy her but got her from a friend who was getting rid of her. Her name is Mayo.
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She does not have any neurological problems and her six ducklings did not either (they also did not have visible crests).

I recently read the book, “Unnatural Selection”, by Katrina Van Grouw. I highly recommend it. It is about all the “deformities” or mutations in dogs, chickens,ducks, etc. that humans have intentionally bred for. First, she says that problem seen in crested ducks isn’t from the hole, which closes up as the bird matures, but that a few are born with bony tendrils, called osteophytes, that can grow into the Pom-Pom or the brain. If they grow into the brain it causes the nervous system issues like being dizzy. She says that MOST crested ducks do not have these tendrils. Good breeders do not breed ducks that have those problems and therefor the tendrils. There is a simple, harmless test to test for issues. Ducks are places gently on their backs and timed for how long it takes them to get back upright. The faster ines are used for breeding.

And, as I said before, the hole closes as the bird matures. Human babies are born with a “soft spot” or hole where the bones of the skull meet. It allows are brains to continue to grow. So, the hole itself isn’t a good reason in my opinion.

The Pom pom itself is made of fat. Recently they have found similarities between those fat bodies and those found in humans with Parkinson’s. What if crested ducks hold the key to cure Parkinson’s.

Interestingly, the feathers found on the crest match the back feathers, not the other head feathers. Not any reason to keep crested ducks but fascinating.

Anyway, the book also documents how humans have bred for the hooked bill in Hookbill ducks and the bowling pin stance of the Runner ducks. Both have there advantages and disadvantages and are “deformities” from nature. So is the size of Pekins for that matter.

Personally, I think we all need to inform ourselves with as much knowledge as possible and breed for the health of our animals. I do not think getting rid of crested ducks is the answer.

Not trying to start another fight but found this https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/duckling-cannot-balance-or-walk.1571058/#post-26675598

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Dude, there are hundreds of animals with disadvantages they’re not all going to be in one book

No, but crested ducks are, which is what this post originally was about.

 

[A boy with ducks]

No, but crested ducks are, which is what this post originally was about.

No offense @cheezenkwackes but yes crested ducks are but i dont believe that book is right because i have read many books many posts and many websites and came to a conclusion that the puff will hurt the duck again No offense @cheezenkwackes but your going off one book and you can read lots of books of and websites that the way pugs are bred it gives them breathing problems

 

[cheezenkwackers]

No offense @cheezenkwackes but yes crested ducks are but i dont believe that book is right because i have read many books many posts and many websites and came to a conclusion that the puff will hurt the duck again No offense @cheezenkwackes but your going off one book and you can read lots of books of and websites that the way pugs are bred it gives them breathing problems

None taken. You are not wrong that some Crested ducks can have issues. I never said they didn’t. A few have those bony protuberances and some get fat bodies trapped in their skulls when their hole closes which puts pressure on their brains and causes issues. But, careful breeding can minimize this. The trait is caused by a dominant allele (alleles are different versions of a gene). If a duckling gets two copies of the crested allele, one from mom and one from dad, they do not survive to hatch. That is what your Youtube girl and many others are complaining about. So, all crested ducks are thought to be heterozygous (one normal, one crested). But, if you cross a crested to a non crested, there is a fifty fifty chance of a crest and no homozygous dead ducklings in the shell. Here is a scientific article (the highest form of scientific information) about Crested ducks and proper breeding reducing neurological issues: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18498950/ My other information did not just come from one book. But I used that other book as a resource to back my information.
Anyway, even though a few ducks can have issues, I do not think we should get rid of all of them. That was my point. Crested ducks have been around since before the 1600s and are portrayed in several old paintings. White crested are a breed which would become extinct. Instead, I think we need to be informed and choose the healthiest birds and do the right crosses. In the same way, quality breeders of pure bred dogs (such as Pugs) only breed the best, healthiest animals to hopefully prevent problems. @A boy with ducks , I just don't think this is an all or none issue. I never wanted to fight with you, only make you think and be informed. Sorry, I guess that is what bored high school teachers do in the summer.