NPIP Certification - Refreshment Please?

[ColtHandorf]

Yes, from the house and through shipping.

 

[Kiki]

Yes, from the house and through shipping.

Shipping...you will probably want to be NPIP.

 

[Fairview01]

So I for sure need to be TAHC and PT tested? And I should be NPIP certified if I want to sell out of state?

You can not be TAHC without meeting a certain level of Texas NPIP certification. I know it is more than being P/T tested.

Being Texas certified NPIP carries ABSOLUTELY NO WEIGHT for shipping outside the state of Texas. Each state has it's own requirements for shipping birds from Texas into the other state. Those are the requirements that must be met. Some states have more stringent requirements and some have practically no requirements. NPIP may be a national program but only in name. Each state has it's own requirements which must be met by the out of state shipper.

From your replies to Texas Kiki I just get the drift you may be under the incorrect assumption that if you are NPIP certified here in Texas you can ship to any state. That is not true. Texas NPIP certification is NOT recognized by any other state.

The only reason or benefit to be TAHC that I can determine is to be able to legally sell poultry at shows. Simply being NPIP at any level does not allow you to sell at poultry shows - legally. Sellers are required to pay TAHC $100 to sell at shows.

The state of Texas has done a fine job of confiscating certain of our rights only to sell them back to us in the form of a permit or authorization.

Prior to deregulating P/T testing there were only 3 individuals to cover the entire state. The motivation by a few people was because they saw a gold mine and charged exorbitant prices at first but as more and more were certified they lost interest since the money wasn't there. Most testers are probably poultry show exhibitors themselves or involved in 4H.

 

[Fairview01]

Shipping...you will probably want to be NPIP.

@Texas Kiki Being certified NPIP in Texas doesn't count for squat shipping outside the state of Texas. The only benefit to being NPIP in Texas is for Texas sales.

Each state has it's own health requirements for the importation of any livestock. When those requirements have been met livestock can enter the state. States outside of Texas don't care if Texas shippers are NPIP. The other 49 states and territories only require that their health standards be met. After that they dont give a flip how we are certified.

 

[Kiki]

@Texas Kiki Being certified NPIP in Texas doesn't count for squat shipping outside the state of Texas. The only benefit to being NPIP in Texas is for Texas sales.

Each state has it's own health requirements for the importation of any livestock. When those requirements have been met livestock can enter the state. States outside of Texas don't care if Texas shippers are NPIP. The other 49 states and territories only require that their health standards be met. After that they dont give a flip how we are certified.

I know this...but almost all of the other states only require PT testing to ship into them. There are a few states that require AI testing too.
I was working on a detail list of each state's requirements but put it on hold.
I'll finish it up soon.

 

[Fairview01]

I know this...but almost all of the other states only require PT testing to ship into them. There are a few states that require AI testing too.
I was working on a detail list of each state's requirements but put it on hold.
I'll finish it up soon.

There's already a web site that lists the current requirements. Never bookmarked it for some reason. I must be unlucky because the people from most of the states that hit me up for heritage cornish required more than P/T testing.

As testers for the state we need to ensure people wanting to be Texas NPIP for interstate shipping know that each state has their own unique import requirements that also must be met. Imo from the OP"s replies he seemed to be under the impression if he was certified in Texas he would be GTG to ship to any other states.

No one needs the poultry police to be knocking on their door nor having a shipment of eggs or dead chicks returned to their door for not meeting all the requirements.

 

[ColtHandorf]

I understood that different states had different requirements for poultry to be shipped across their state lines. I suppose I thought that PT Testing plus NPIP certification would meet most of the states requirements with the addition of the TAHC certification/registration. But if there are tiers within NPIP there isn't really much of a point in meeting the bare minimum if other states are really stringent. I don't see a point in paying upwards of a thousand dollars to certify 20 birds as being clean.

 

[Kiki]

Pay attention to the small print.
Not that many states require more.

 

[Fairview01]

I understood that different states had different requirements for poultry to be shipped across their state lines. I suppose I thought that PT Testing plus NPIP certification would meet most of the states requirements with the addition of the TAHC certification/registration. But if there are tiers within NPIP there isn't really much of a point in meeting the bare minimum if other states are really stringent. I don't see a point in paying upwards of a thousand dollars to certify 20 birds as being clean.

The last reported and documented case of P/T was in 2004 from a small backyard flock on the east coast. If I remember the story correctly that the state P/T trainer told us there were 2 flocks in relative close proximity in the state of Tennessee that turned up positive results that year. The unique situation was that neither had stock from the other nor had they purchased stock from the same hatchery.

When it comes to P/T testing I charge for mileage and time. I don't worry about the number of birds. The more organized the owner is the less expensive it is. If I arrive and the birds aren't confined and ready to go and there are just a few birds I still get fairly compensated for my wasted time as the owner tries to round up his birds.

The prohibitive cost is the fine print in Kiki's post I've attached. The health certificate needs to originate from a vet that takes samples or throat swabs from each bird which are then sent to one of 2 state laboratories for culturing and testing. It's just not a matter of a vet looking at them and saying they're healthy. And then you may need to buy a permit.

I raise LFW Cornish. If people want my stock or eggs they come to Texas. Had a man road trip from Illinois to acquire my stock. More insane then me.

If you build it they will come. If they want your stock bad enough they will come also.

Pay attention to the small print.
Not that many states require more.
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[ColtHandorf]

So let's hypothetically look at this...

If I was shipping hatching eggs to someone in South Texas, what documentation needs to be included with the eggs?

Now let's say I do a post on the Crazy 24 Hour Egg Auction thread here and the winner of the auction is in Maryland. Or Florida. What documentation should be included then?