Nutrition especially for your Peas

[frenchblackcopper]

Hemp,as is grown for making rope,ect,,,there is a very big diffrence between the two,one is grown for it's fibers,which is where these seeds comes from,and the other is grown for it's THC content.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Actually the best hemp seeds are de-hulled,They are steamed to remove the outside tough and unpalatable skin.

 

[zazouse]

You do know the more you process food the more nutritional value you loose right?

We should be looking for whole foods like whole grains and such, just like we should do this for ourselves, way to much salt, fat and empty calories in food now days that is why so many folks have issues with weight, not because they eat alot but what they eat, i know i am an easy keeper

so i stay away from most white foods unless i grew them.

 

[zazouse]

Hemp,as is grown for making rope,ect,,,there is a very big diffrence between the two,one is grown for it's fibers,which is where these seeds comes from,and the other is grown for it's THC content.

There is more than one kind?

 

[frenchblackcopper]

The original "hemp" plant was used extensively during WW2 to make rope with.It was planted in northern states and Canada during those times because of the cooler climate.Other strains found in India and the middle east were grown for their halucinogenic effects and later found their ways to other parts of the world for the other purpose. The rope making varieties were bred to be tall and with larger stalks as it was the "bark" part of the plant that was stripped and then dried,then spun into rope. The other type is bred exclusivly for the buds it will produce during the flowering stage,and only these buds are harvested for the sole purpose of the thc they have.Compare them to sweet,pop and field corn,,all corn but each diffrent.

 

[zazouse]

Thanks for the info

 

[Trefoil]

Anyone got rabbits here? rabbit food is a wonderful source of green stuffs

, it runs around 14 % protine it has no corn , not sure about soy.
I wonder if the peas would like it?

I mix rabbit pellets in with the fermented feed ( just before I feed it) when I haven't added alfalfa in the ferment. I originally added brewers yeast to the ducks feed because of their need for more niacin (its also a probiotic), but now add it for everybody ( again, just before feeding). None of my birds ( chickens,geese,ducks, turkey,guineas or peas) seem to separate out the rabbit pellets, the finer brewers yeast tend to not get eaten if its falls to the bottom.. Back in my old (horse raising) days, it was said that anywhere east of I think it was Missouri, needed to supplement selenium, its kind of a tricky one because too much is toxic. I admit to being an adventurous feeder, especially for my peas. I have tried shrimp pellets and tetra color bits fish food, which they really like but are ruinously expensive to feed all the time, spirulana as well. I also mash up boiled eggs for them weekly. When they were babies I wreaked a blender using it to puree broccoli into their crumbles . For the last year I have been raising meal worms but haven't gotten good enough at it to supply a constant part of their diet.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

My feed will be mixed tomorrow. I'm going to use soybean meal this time at 48% protein but it's 26cents per pound bulk. Corn distillers gluten is 22-23% protein and is 13 cents per pound bulk. I've been feeding all my peas cracked corn mixed with their 16% crumbles for the past two weeks to get them used to whats going to be in their feed bowls tomorrow.When this first ton of feed is gone,we plan on getting hempseed in the next batch,and then seeing about using fish meal as a protein source.Do some checking on both hempseed and fish meal. Compare the Omega 3 and Omega 6 in hempseed compared to flaxseed and the fish meal is supposedly the very best source of protein,although I do not know it's cost but when needing 600 pounds per ton,protein is your highest single cost factor.
My first ration to get everyone broken in will be right at 18.6% Protein tomorrow.Not naming everything in this mix,I expect it to cost close to $300 per ton,compared to buying Nutrena 16% crumbles in 50lb bags would cost me $558 @ $13.95 per 50lb bag. I know from reading countless feed analysis tags the Nutrena will not have near the B Vitamins,Amino acids,trace minerals,ir total digestable protein. It does no good to make a 20% protein ration if the Peas digestive system cannot extract most or all of it.
This amount of feed should last me 6-7 weeks,it will feed every bird on the place we have and that number is close to 150,including 2012 and 2013 hatched birds that are here.The next time we make feed we will make two seperate batches and the birds that will be breeding will have added calcium and selenium added. I'm also wanting to try the powder form of Safeguard,which one pound packets can be mixed with 330 pounds of feed. The label at this time only shows it being fed to Turkeys but it would be so convenient to mix enough feed to use with the mixed safeguard to last 12 days,thus overlapping the life cycle of the intestinal worms.The liquid is okay if you take away all water during the day,then use the mixed water with the 10% Safeguard for Goats and watch every pea drink,then move on to the next pen and repeat.The seperation of this in water makes it useless after a few hours once it settles to the bottom of the water bowl.

 

[Madmat]

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[MinxFox]

I have tried the game bird mix. My peas would hardly eat most of it. They would pick out mainly the sunflower seeds and a few other seeds and leave the rest. Needless to say it was not worth using when they hardly ate it. Again and again I noted how they really love the black oil sunflower seeds so that is their main feed.

I give them a bunch of black oil sunflower seeds every day and a few days I week I give them catfish chow and leftovers. My peas probably need more vegetables so I should think about making a garden for them. They really love eating big 4 leaf clovers and other weeds so I could even make a weed garden along with a regular vegetable garden. The main problem I have seen since the disappearance of grass in their pen (and maybe even due to the amount of peafowl) is that the peahen's peachicks don't get enough of the nutrition they would be getting from bugs. I provide them with the chick starter but the peahen would rather eat sunflower seeds. I have better luck with the chicks I hand raise. The bugs are definitely important. I try to catch grasshoppers for my peafowl or any kind of bug for that matter and they go crazy over it. The catfish chow might be giving them some of that nutrition but they just love the bugs. I love to find a big grub for them or a large black beetle. The one that gets the bug will be chased all over the pen by the other peafowl.

There is a very interesting UPA article about captive vs. wild diet: http://www.unitedpeafowlassociation.org/CaptiveBirdDietsVersesWildBirdDiets.html