Nutritional needs during egg laying

[Garden Peas]

I was noticing just yesterday that the Queen Ann's lace is getting about four inches tall but it is not close to where the flock forages. I may cut some for them and bring it up to them but I was wondering if it was safe for birds. I know cattle will eat it some years and not other years.

Okay, here's some links. Apparently the problem is it closely resembles False Queen Anne's Lace, which is highly toxic, including to fowl.

http://www.pawsdogdaycare.com/toxic-and-non-toxic-plants/false-queen-anne’s-lace

Here's the right one:
http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/queen.html

Here's another toxic look-alike plant:
http://www.idesigntimes.com/articles/6301/20130621/giant-hogweed-plant-scary-toxic-flowers-burn.htm

and yet another:
http://www.bhg.com/advice/gardening/weeds/poisonous-weed-like-queen-annes-lace/

Basically, there are a lot of look-alikes, and a lot of wild plants called Queen Anne's Lace (some right, some wrong), so a misidentification can be deadly. If you have the actual wild carrot plant, it is supposed to be edible and non-toxic.

 

[KsKingBee]

My goodness! Thank you. I will take a picture of it for proper ID, I very well could be calling it the wrong name.

 

[zazouse]

I was noticing just yesterday that the Queen Ann's lace is getting about four inches tall but it is not close to where the flock forages. I may cut some for them and bring it up to them but I was wondering if it was safe for birds. I know cattle will eat it some years and not other years.

My birds eat all kinds of berrys from the nigh shade family. they also eat poke berries and sumac berries and other poison berries but they only eat them when they are ripe, real ripe, they seem to know when the berries are ready somehow.

When these berries are making they will not touch them
7/4/2014









When they start to get dull like this they will all be gone in one day same way with the poke berries and sumac
8/13/2014






They get on top of my trellis of morning glories and eat the dried seed pods

They also like the dried seed pods of the cypress vines.


I noticed that the peas eat these things in small amounts and move to something different like grasses, i wounder if eating grasses along with these seeds keeps them from being toxic to the birds because the poisons are effected by the enzimes of the grasses so if they were in a pen i would be leary of feeding them these kind of things as a sole treat.

 

[Garden Peas]

My birds eat all kinds of berrys from the nigh shade family. they also eat poke berries and sumac berries and other poison berries but they only eat them when they are ripe, real ripe, they seem to know when the berries are ready somehow.

When these berries are making they will not touch them
7/4/2014









When they start to get dull like this they will all be gone in one day same way with the poke berries and sumac
8/13/2014






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I noticed that the peas eat these things in small amounts and move to something different like grasses, i wounder if eating grasses along with these seeds keeps them from being toxic to the birds because the poisons are effected by the enzimes of the grasses so if they were in a pen i would be leary of feeding them these kind of things as a sole treat.

Hey Zaz, do you know what these first plants here are? They resemble a plant I just learned about, called a black chokeberry (that's different from chokecherries), but I can't exactly tell from the photos. The black chokeberry (Aronia Melanocarpa) turns out to be a native plant in North America that is now being commercially cultivated for the berries, which have an extraordinarily high anthocyanin content and are thought to provide exceptional health benefits. But nobody used to bother eating them because they are tart and astringent, hence the name "chokeberry."s

These things are pretty cool... I'm thinking I will try to grow them here. But they may be native plants in your area.

http://aroniaberry.org/

http://www.starkbros.com/products/berry-plants/aronia-berry-plants

http://www.naturehills.com/chokeberry-black

http://plants.usda.gov/plantguide/pdf/pg_arme6.pdf

I'm pretty cautious about eating plants, so please make absolutely sure what that is if you decide to try them. But these chokeberry things are pretty interesting.

 

[zazouse]

Hey Zaz, do you know what these first plants here are? They resemble a plant I just learned about, called a black chokeberry (that's different from chokecherries), but I can't exactly tell from the photos. The black chokeberry (Aronia Melanocarpa) turns out to be a native plant in North America that is now being commercially cultivated for the berries, which have an extraordinarily high anthocyanin content and are thought to provide exceptional health benefits. But nobody used to bother eating them because they are tart and astringent, hence the name "chokeberry."s

These things are pretty cool... I'm thinking I will try to grow them here. But they may be native plants in your area.

http://aroniaberry.org/

http://www.starkbros.com/products/berry-plants/aronia-berry-plants

http://www.naturehills.com/chokeberry-black

http://plants.usda.gov/plantguide/pdf/pg_arme6.pdf

I'm pretty cautious about eating plants, so please make absolutely sure what that is if you decide to try them. But these chokeberry things are pretty interesting.

Are you talking about the plan in the photos i posted that has black berrys, that is a solanum nigrum
http://www.rootsimple.com/2012/07/black-nightshade-solanum-nigrum-is-edible-and-delicious/

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Zaz, that plant and berries resembles what we call Black Nightshade here. Birds eats the berries and then the seeds gets everywhere and the plants grows 6-7' high. They were a problem years ago here in soybean fields because once they entered the combine the juice from the berries became a very sticky mess and would plug the machine if too many plants was close together.

 

[zazouse]

Zaz, that plant and berries resembles what we call Black Nightshade here. Birds eats the berries and then the seeds gets everywhere and the plants grows 6-7' high. They were a problem years ago here in soybean fields because once they entered the combine the juice from the berries became a very sticky mess and would plug the machine if too many plants was close together.

Yep i posted a link to the info on it, the birds eat all the seeds so they don't get much of a foot hold here, didn't see any last year but that is how things go here, passion flowers bloom about every 5 years ,musky dines make real good for a few years then take a break for a year, goose berries make every year and some years they taste good other years

 

[idealfriends]

I make my own feed I add all these grains in equal quantity (white corn,yellow corn,wheat grain,Millet grain,scratch) and these are with 10% ratio of major grains (seasame seed,flash seed,rice) and oats half ratio of major grains .
Is these ingredients are ok to feed or not

 

[Birdrain92]

Individual they're fine but most of those may promote an obese bird. Most of those are cereal grains. High in carbohydrates but lower in protein. The seeds might add some protein to their diet. Beans, legumes (alfalfa, clover) would help with protein and other nutrients. Peafowl do even better with animal proteins. Mealworms can be one. Dog food and cat food they love as well.

 

[casportpony]

I make my own feed I add all these grains in equal quantity (white corn,yellow corn,wheat grain,Millet grain,scratch) and these are with 10% ratio of major grains (seasame seed,flash seed,rice) and oats half ratio of major grains .
Is these ingredients are ok to feed or not

Where do you live?

-Kathy