Ohiki Chicken Thread

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

got my first mille project chicks due to hatch this week already. Can't believe it's already been that long. These are to a spangled male and bb red and ginger hens, so they will actually be working both colors, but of course will take another year to show any mottling. Excited either way about it. I've always loved a good mille in any breed, but in a long tail it's just extra special to me.

Just thought I'd share

 

[onagadori]

got my first mille project chicks due to hatch this week already. Can't believe it's already been that long. These are to a spangled male and bb red and ginger hens, so they will actually be working both colors, but of course will take another year to show any mottling. Excited either way about it. I've always loved a good mille in any breed, but in a long tail it's just extra special to me.

Just thought I'd share

That's great Aubrey.. I hope you get a good hatch and you could get some that are spangled or millie.. My millie works as an incomplete dominant.. Which means even if I breed to gingers, I get some millies.. Maybe yours will do the same..

 

[onagadori]

This guys dad is my red ginger roo who does not carry mottling!

 

[Toni-Marie]

To get mottling it's a recessive gene so it may just be way way back????... it's a great bird to work with either way......Now if you want Millie I've got a good many this year if you need something but there bantam though.....TM

 

[onagadori]

To get mottling it's a recessive gene so it may just be way way back????... it's a great bird to work with either way......Now if you want Millie I've got a good many this year if you need something but there bantam though.....TM

These are just my thoughts on mottled and my experience..

According to Brian Reeder's book, mottling acts as a recessive and also as an incomplete dominant in some instances.. This particular line works as an incomplete dominant... When the hens from this line were bred to golden duckwings pure cy lines, they produced millie fleur offspring.. I don't think cy's birds carry mottling, but I could be wrong.. We did an experiment and bred the golden duckwing to his own offspring from pure cy hens and offspring to offspring and still never got any mottled.. That would imply he is not carrying mottling at all.. This was done for several generations.. . However, the mottling (which comes from yokohama) in my blacks in recessive.. So I don't know why one line would act as an incomplete dominant and another would be recessive.. This hens father was a pure cy hyde golden duckwing.. The mother was millie fleur colored.. And she came out mottled... I then bred this hen's brother who is also mottled to pure cy hyde bbred hens and got mottled offspring.. But I never bred f1 to f1.. The mottling just carried over.. Beats all I ever saw..
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This is the f2 generation of the bbred phoenix bred to f1 cross phoenix/millie.. They came out mottled and we only outcrossed one time to the millie fleur colored hens and used pure cy lines to breed back to phoenix ... So it went millie fleur hens to pure golden phoenix roo for f1's. f1 roo to pure cy hyde hens and here is the f2 generation.


Toni, would love to see some pics of those millies if you have some.. how many generations are they back to longtails? Thanks.

 

[onagadori]

I am thinking I will just cross back to pure phoenix again and try to get more tail while retaining color.. It worked the first two times..

 

[onagadori]

I also found this quote on this website..

3. mo - mottling -
This gene is an autosomal recessive. It creates a white feather tip with a black bar behind the white spot on pheomelanic feathrs, but the black bar is not visible on eumelanic birds even though it is there. Although mo is recessive, there would appear to be some instances of mo behaving as a dominant.

link to website.. quote from Brian Reeder genetics book..
http://www.poultrymatters.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=220&view=next

I have personally experienced both in my birds.. Recessive and dominant..

 

[Toni-Marie]

True.....But with my work with Cye's birds for almost 25 years they almost all carry mottling especially the silvers and golds....Look at many of his cock birds and you will find that 50% of his birds have the white mottling in the breast...It's just not the type mottling that covers the whole bird until you start breeding the ones that have the most white on them together... Now that's just my experience with his birds for almost 25 years now. While I do agree with most of Brian's work I also have worked with birds as long or more than he.Not to poke at you because your a good breeder and are learning more and more every day... Now I do not have any Cye H birds at all..I remade all my bantams with Ohiki crossed to Schubert's and Ismer Large fowl and scale them down from there..I also used the white Onagadori hen that David had with that nice extreme long tail line he has...TM

 

[Celtic Hill]

So yesterday I met up with Chris and got some more breeding stock from him! I am so excited! I have another Trio of project ohiki. The cockerel is black, then there is a chocolate pullet and then a redish as well as a silver ohiki hen that is going to go in with my pair now to complete that trio! He also brought along one of his birds and gave me and my friend a little lesson on ohiki type, It was awesome to see it on an actual bird. I will get pictures once the weather get's nice... It's raining today! I am so excited to be working with these project birds, and with the two pures that I have now I am hoping to get closer to ohiki type in a year or two! I would like to eventually work on Fibro ohiki because I think they are beautiful! Of course I have only seen the picture of the bird on Toni's site but I can only imagine what the others look like! Last night I put some of my ohiki eggs and a few from Chris into the incubator I'm hoping for a good hatch!

Here is a picture of the two chicks that hatched this weekend, The chipmunk one is my golden ohiki cock over a project hen that's 1/2 ohiki so the chick is pretty close to pure ohiki!

 

[onagadori]

True.....But with my work with Cye's birds for almost 25 years they almost all carry mottling especially the silvers and golds....Look at many of his cock birds and you will find that 50% of his birds have the white mottling in the breast...It's just not the type mottling that covers the whole bird until you start breeding the ones that have the most white on them together... Now that's just my experience with his birds for almost 25 years now. While I do agree with most of Brian's work I also have worked with birds as long or more than he.Not to poke at you because your a good breeder and are learning more and more every day... Now I do not have any Cye H birds at all..I remade all my bantams with Ohiki crossed to Schubert's and Ismer Large fowl and scale them down from there..I also used the white Onagadori hen that David had with that nice extreme long tail line he has...TM

You mean roosters with the "stary breasts"... ? Like this one..?

I thought this was caused by the presence of mahogany gene (illustrated in the absence of autosomal red)? When I test mated this roo carrying this trait to red hens, some of the offspring were mahogany.. Mahogany supposedly inhibits the growth of black to the tip of the feather.. That's why I thought you never see it on a bbred or golden's hackles and saddles.. Because it only inhibits the black from going to the tip of the feather.. And I never had any luck getting any mottled hens from birds like this.. This was the precise gene used trying to make mottling, but it never yeilded any mottled birds for me.. Just more roosters with stary breasts.. However, I do not understand why if it is mottling or if it is mahogany why it would not effect the tails.. but occassionally you can get white in the tail..

So you are saying that you bred birds like this and eventually got roosters with red saddles and hackles that were tipped in white? If this were the case it would indeed be considered mottling..

One mahogany gene will remove some black from the breast of the male producing a spangled appearance on the breast

This is what I thought it was.. This silver rooster can make mahogany offspring.. But I suppose it could be the two genes in tandem working in him.. Wish you had some of those spangled birds from cy's line still..