Ohio Issue 2, How should I vote?

Discussion in 'Local Chicken Laws & Ordinances (and how to change' started by animal nut, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. animal nut

    animal nut Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have been reading alot on this issue and I am so confused. They way I read this we would be asking one group or another to regulate the farmers. Why do we need anyone to regulate the farmer? Regardless of what they try to acomplish there will be some farmers not follow the regulation.
     
  2. Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay

    Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay Chillin' With My Peeps

    You should vote YES!!!

    If there are no regulations or an adviaory board in place the door is WIDE OPEN for organization, PETA and other Animal Rights Zealots to push through restrictive, anti-livestock regulations.

    Just remember that the vast majority of people think their food magically comes from the grocery store, they have NO knowledge of meat, milk, and egg production. This makes them susceptible to the sensational claims and advertising utilized by organization, ASPCA, etc.

    Jim
     
  3. tagra123

    tagra123 Out Of The Brooder

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    Be cautious when others tell you how to vote, especially interest groups that have only their interest in mind.-- decide for yourself.

    Be EXTRA cautious when the government or any other large organized group thinks it has a better way.


    People need to wake up and realize that government is not the solution -- it is the problem.

    We already have enough bureaucracy in Ohio. Those that are for this are counting on the majority to buy the argument that voting against it means that we want organization to take over is over simplified. Some might buy this but I'm not.

    Changing the constitution seems like overkill. Why are people so willing to trust the government.? The only job the government seems to do well is to take money, make itself bigger and spend. I just think this is another in a series of steps in the wrong direction.

    This should be handled in the legislature, not the constitution.

    The ammendmentl is not about animals, it's not about food. It's about our rights as free people. Our freedom is under attack in all directions and people just seem so willing to comply. I don't understand it.

    Think about what Ben Franklin said before voting on this.

    BEN FRANKLIN: "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."


    As animal nut stated, its going to be hard for the government to force compliance on us. It would also be hard for organization too.

    This is what to think about. If the governor is able to appoint his own board then how is this group not going to be political.
     
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  4. Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay

    Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:Yep, real hard just like what happened in California last year.

    Give organization a inch and it will turn into a mile. They want NO ONE to own animals, no one to consume meat, and definitely no one to profit from the sale of meat, milk, and eggs.

    Of course it is your choice, but were I you I would definitely choose to support the effort to stem the Animal Right Zealots.

    JIm
     
  5. Quail_Antwerp

    Quail_Antwerp [IMG]emojione/assets/png/2665.png?v=2.2.7[/IMG]Mrs

    Aug 16, 2008
    Ohio
    The issue that passed in California was passed by the people. They were given the same option as us right now, vote yes or no, and California residents voted yes.
     
  6. Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay

    Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:Misguided though they were, the people of California did pass that legislation, legislation that will force Californians to purchase meat, milk, and eggs from sources outside of California. Legislation that is so vague that no one can actually explain the housing requirements in measureable terms. Legislation that veterinarias, behaviorists, and REAL farmers were against.

    The organization Anti-Agriculture train is moving, don't let Ohio add more coal to the engine. Please don't cow-tow the the Animal Rights Zealots like Michigan just did. Please take a stand FOR livestock producers that work haved everyday to provide safe, wholesome, affordale protein for the American Consumer.

    Vote YES on 2 in Ohio.

    Jim
     
  7. Quail_Antwerp

    Quail_Antwerp [IMG]emojione/assets/png/2665.png?v=2.2.7[/IMG]Mrs

    Aug 16, 2008
    Ohio
    OK, I found this old thread regarding California last year.. https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=87597&p=1

    California's
    Proposition 2 was different than Ohio's Issue 2. I went back and read the Proposition 2 in California...Ohio's Issue 2 is aimed to keep organization out but keep Local Humane Societies that actually care about animal well being and aren't opposed to livestock keeping in, am I correct on that?

    I'm more confused now.

    There's a real good post in the California thread about organization and Local Humane Societies the two are different.

    To the OP, I cannot help you on which way to vote. I'm going to have to do a lot of praying about this.

    All I know, I grow much of my own food on my own property, and I really really really want to be able to continue to do so.

    ETA: When I first heard of Issue 2, I was all for it, and was ready to vote yes. Then I read more, dug more, and was like, I want to vote No. Now I'm back on the fence, and not sure which way to vote.
     
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  8. Quail_Antwerp

    Quail_Antwerp [IMG]emojione/assets/png/2665.png?v=2.2.7[/IMG]Mrs

    Aug 16, 2008
    Ohio
  9. Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay

    Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:The information on that link makes steam come out of my ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![​IMG]:he:he:he:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
     
  10. mandelyn

    mandelyn Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Here's a pretty decent break-down of an overview of the bill...

    http://agvanwert.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/some-thoughts-on-ohio-issue-2/

    After looking at info on it, I'm thinking it should pass.

    It seems to me, that the goal is to eliminate big-time operations that use poor caging methods... focusing on egg production over fowl care and health. The price on organic/farm raised eggs would increase, as well as "imported" eggs, unless the sale of production eggs is banned instead of the methods to raise them. Or both, banning the sale of eggs that don't comply with regulated methods, as well as laying down those approved methods.

    So it it passes, we're looking at higher egg prices (not an issue if you have your own hens). Also keeps tabs on what the animal-rights extremists can do. That makes me say yes to it passing.

    If it fails, then there won't be a regulatory board, AND that opens the door for more specific, special interest group changes. Not cool.

    Has anyone seen anything included in this bill that would limit state-wide "urban" chickens? For example, anything that says anything about acreage required, or specific zoning requirements... anything that would have an impact on currently legal suburban chickens?
     

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