Okay BLRW over white Wyandotte give blue chicks but what happen when cross those chicks!

[Ridgerunner]

That helps, you should be working with pure genetics.

 

[moving coops]

Yes, should be for sure! But now to know about the chicks and if can tell apart!

 

[Ridgerunner]

Okay I asked a bit ago what I would get if I put a BLRW Roo over White Wyandotte hens........and was told blue Wyandotte chicks! Which I want!
But now I have blue chicks! What happens if I cross them?

Also what if I put a splash laced Roo over those white hens?
And what of their chicks if crossed?

I had another thought. Who told you that you would get blue chicks? The person you got the White Wyandottes from? If so, they might know their chickens well enough to be right. If those White Wyandottes are Recessive White over Black, you should get blue and black chicks from that cross.

What else you get depends a lot on what else is hiding under that White. Recessive White can cover anything and leakage is a strong possibility. The only way to find out for sure is to hatch some eggs.

 

[moving coops]

Actually a wonderful lady on here told me I would get sold blue chicks where it is possible some red leakage in males!
She said lacing should disappear!

And said is white Wyandottes with white Wyandotte parents. Means they should be resessive!

She was very good at explains lots. So I started the new thread assuming I would for sure have solid blue chicks from this mix and just wanted to know that since they will all be in the same pen to save space that as hatched chicks the solid blues I can differ from the laced chicks (of BLRW breeding together- whether they be blue laced, black laced or Spash laced).
Just want to tell apart as selling them as laced need to know the laced ones at a day to three days old! Probably could sell solids blues here too! But okay if not I can raise them for our farm!

Because under my one BLRW male I could put 3 or 4 BLRW hens(some are splashes) and my 5 white Wyandotte hens!
He can handle that and would love not to have to make separate pen and more waters and feeders and cleaning it can. They are big pens of 5X10 and runs will be 5X30 or maybe longer!


Then wanted to know once I have those blue chicks what happens if I breed them together? Blue solid chicks?

 

[junebuggena]

Actually a wonderful lady on here told me I would get sold blue chicks where it is possible some red leakage in males!
She said lacing should disappear!

And said is white Wyandottes with white Wyandotte parents. Means they should be resessive!

She was very good at explains lots. So I started the new thread assuming I would for sure have solid blue chicks from this mix and just wanted to know that since they will all be in the same pen to save space that as hatched chicks the solid blues I can differ from the laced chicks (of BLRW breeding together- whether they be blue laced, black laced or Spash laced).
Just want to tell apart as selling them as laced need to know the laced ones at a day to three days old! Probably could sell solids blues here too! But okay if not I can raise them for our farm!

Because under my one BLRW male I could put 3 or 4 BLRW hens(some are splashes) and my 5 white Wyandotte hens!
He can handle that and would love not to have to make separate pen and more waters and feeders and cleaning it can. They are big pens of 5X10 and runs will be 5X30 or maybe longer!


Then wanted to know once I have those blue chicks what happens if I breed them together? Blue solid chicks?

ANYTHING could be produced from crossing the offspring. Might get some laced, might get some partridge type, might get some solid colored. Could get splash, blue or black patterning. Could get some white. All are possibilities.

 

[moving coops]

But you do think the chicks themselves from the crossing will be solid blue..... So I can tell those apart in hatch from my ones that come out laced from my BLRW x BLRW.
That is most important!

Then I can just keep the solid blue chicks for our mixed pen next year since it does not matter in there! They don't have to breed true! Or I can sell them as strictly laying birds or meat but let them know not to breed them if they want true blues that they can get every color!

So main thing to know is with this one time crossing I will get solid blue chicks(maybe red leakage in males) but can tell these chicks from hatch at days olds from my true BLRW chicks for selling purposes.

After that these solid blue chicks will produce crazy mixes...

I have this right?? Thinking wise??? Just want to be up front with customers and know with first crossing I can tell apart them from my true BLRW so I sell them the right thing. As my BLRW chicks will breed true!

 

[Ridgerunner]

Just for fun I went to that calculator and used the program defaults for Blue Laced Red and Recessive White, which assumes it’s on Extended Black. I got blue or black as possibilities. I then chose the blue cockerel and blue pullet and crossed them. I got 86 different possible combinations of possible colors and patterns for the pullets. I did not count the possible combinations for the cockerels but it was in that ball park.

I then changed the Extended Black to Wheaten on the original hen and ran the same thing with the Blue Laced Red offspring. The male was Partridge both times. If I counted right I got 97 different possibilities for pullet color and pattern. I did not count the cockerel possibilities.

Granted, some of these possibilities are pretty remote. For some it gave odds of 1 in over 32,000 of getting a specific combination. And for a lot, you probably could not tell the difference just by looking at the chickens, even when they are fully feathered out. The point is that you can get a huge difference in the offspring when you cross the offspring of crosses, especially if there is a lot of difference in the color/patterns of the original chickens.

You can greatly eliminate this variation in the next generation by choosing which of the offspring to cross. For example, in my first run with the Extended Black I chose blue unicolor laced for both cockerel and pullet in the generation after the blue offspring and only had 8 possible variations on the possible pullet color/patterns, not 86. It may take a few generations but you can hone it down to what you want.

 

[moving coops]

That is cool thanks! So at least I know first crossing I get just solid blue or solid black chicks and these I can tell apart from their pure siblings that are laced.

But yes a mess after that. Just not great for breeding but good for meat and eggs!
But you did say if I was picky at picking out the off spring then lessen chance of possibilities. But if they all look blue then how do I get picky in those chicks? Plus 8 variables would still be crazy! Think better to just stick to the cross then use the crosses as just very pretty solid colored Wyandottes for laying purposes and meat only!

 

[moving coops]

Thanks for playing with that! I went there! I understand colors okay but all the extra titles to pick in each drop down honestly totally looses me!

 

[Ridgerunner]

No, with that cross, assuming the whites are based on Extended Black, you can tell blue from black. They should all be laced.