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[Kassaundra]

Everyone thanks for the kind words about my cat. That is the worst part of having pets, losing them in general, but then having to choose to let them go is even worse, but it was for his good. Spent the rest of the day w/ family, just coincidentally had a family dinner today that made it easier not having to think about it all day.

Oh and Okla, I didn't bring any coconut custard back home w/ me, it was all eaten.

 

[sjarvis00]

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Lavendar is based on the lav gene. It is a true breeding form of Blue called Self Blue, and is absent of lacing. When breeding lavendar you breed Lavendar to Lavendar you get 100% lavendar chicks. Many breeders cross Lavendar with Black, all resulting offspring are black, then breed those offspring back to each other to get back to lavendar. lavendar is often associated with poor feather width, and poor feather quality thus the occasional cross to balck to improve those traits.

Blue is whole different story.
Blue is a incomplete dominant mutation of Black. It takes two copies of genes to create most colors along with other determing factors but with blue for instance the natural form in a recessive state bl results in black when two copies are present, the mutation incompletly dominant Bl results in a splash when two copies are present and when the two are combined as Bl / bl you get Blue.
So to think of it this way when breeding Blue
bl/bl = Black
Bl/bl = Blue
Bl / Bl = Splash

This form of blue is laced with a darker shade of blue. One should breed for an even shade of blue. You will get your best color by breeding Blue to Blue and be able to maintain proper lacing and a more uniform color through out the birds body in this manner.
when Breeding Black x Splash all teh resulting offspring will be blue in color however will vary widely in color quality and are often un-even in color and begin to loose lacing as this created by the presence of other genes you cannot see when using Black and Splash.

Did that answer it for you or do I need to dig deeper or make it more simple?

So Breeding Samson and Delilah - Blue Cochin roo over Blue Cochin hen makes Blue Cochin babies.
The possible Lavendar gene Samson has won't show up unless I can get F1 crossing of two with the unexpressed Lavendar gene....correct?

For cross breeding will the same hold true?
Blue Cochin roo over Blue Wyandotte makes Blue feather footed with a Cochin comb (single comb vs pea comb)
Blue Cochin roo over Black Australorp - Blue and black feather footed single combed babies.

Nanakat,
I am certian he carries Lavendarand you may some appearnce when breed to his daughters though the numbers will be few. Blue Cochin over Blue cochin with ours resulted in mostly blue very few Splash and even fewer black.
For your cross breeding quaestion, the Cochin male x the Blue wyandotte hen, most will be Blue a few splash and a few black are possible, The comb will be a rosecomb as the Wyandotte is, unless she carries the single comb genes which most wyandottes do. All will be feather legged.
Blue Cochin x Black Australorp, Black and Blue offspring, single combed, feather legged. Large birds great layers with softer feathers and broad heavy body.

 

[sjarvis00]

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Actually not cockoo but barred, use the barred male x Bb Red or Partridge hens, many do this with welsummer thus the Wel-bar, It always works regardless of breeds, I suppose you could use cockoo but the barring pattern is different.
I prefer to use the Partride male x Barred hens and you get better males in the First generation. And better color to work with moving forward. Set 2 pens Part. male x barred hens and Barred male x Part. hens and bring them together in the F2,

 

[sjarvis00]

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bring a note book when we get together,

 

[Sooner]

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I missed the part about your cat, I'm sorry for your loss! I have a cat that we have health issues with & I know the time will come that I have to do the same, I don't look forward to it.

 

[NanaKat]

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So Breeding Samson and Delilah - Blue Cochin roo over Blue Cochin hen makes Blue Cochin babies.
The possible Lavendar gene Samson has won't show up unless I can get F1 crossing of two with the unexpressed Lavendar gene....correct?

For cross breeding will the same hold true?
Blue Cochin roo over Blue Wyandotte makes Blue feather footed with a Cochin comb (single comb vs pea comb)
Blue Cochin roo over Black Australorp - Blue and black feather footed single combed babies.

Nanakat,
I am certian he carries Lavendarand you may some appearnce when breed to his daughters though the numbers will be few. Blue Cochin over Blue cochin with ours resulted in mostly blue very few Splash and even fewer black.
For your cross breeding quaestion, the Cochin male x the Blue wyandotte hen, most will be Blue a few splash and a few black are possible, The comb will be a rosecomb as the Wyandotte is, unless she carries the single comb genes which most wyandottes do. All will be feather legged.
Blue Cochin x Black Australorp, Black and Blue offspring, single combed, feather legged. Large birds great layers with softer feathers and broad heavy body.

Now I have a project for the Lavendar!

Okay..will stick a few more aussie/cochin in for good measure. Interesed in seeing a Blue Aussie Cochin

 

[Sooner]

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bring a note book when we get together,

I don't know if I can write as fast as you can talk!!! A recorder would be better! LOL.
I need a cockrel dubbed & I can't do it!

 

[mefordz]

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bring a note book when we get together,

Better make that a BIG note book, coloring gets complicated but fun!

 

[mjgigax]

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I am NOT a genetics expert but I am breeding Self-blues so here goes - this is what I understand -

Self-blues are sometimes called Lavender in casual terminology but the APA (or ABA) has decided to call them Self-blue. They are an even, light grey/blue with no lacing, though may have dark feather shafts.They have the Lavender gene and breed true - two bred together will make all Self-blue babies like Blacks and Buffs. Hence the term "Self".

- Those of you that know more- Is this because the gene is dominant or is that a different characteristic? It has been a looooong time since Biology class.

The Andalucian Blue gene does not breed pure - two Blue bred together will create 50% blue, 25% black and 25% splash ( I need to check that ratio, haven't got it memorized)
Incidentally, the lavender gene is located close to a gene that causes poor feather quality so there are complications in feather quality in the breeding of Self-blues.

I love the Andalucian blue birds but have avoided getting into breeding them because the 3 colors that one gets from them takes up alot of pen space. However..... I just couldn't resist a good quality Blue Mottled pullet at the Maud auction Rebecca and I went to. She was paired with a great Black Mottled roo that I can use to improve the type of my Mille Fleurs. How is that for justifying another color aquisition? ( Mille Fleur Cochins are from breeding Black Mottled and Buff Columbian)

 

[Sooner]

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bring a note book when we get together,

Better make that a BIG note book, coloring gets complicated but fun!

Hey Mefordz, do you dub?