Old and Rare Breeds

[Yellow House Farm]

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Edited to say: Hmmmm......

 

[BKPUCKETT]

What is UFF?

 

[chrisf]

I met this kid when I was at Ohio National this year. He wanted to buy a La Fleche pullet off me offering me $50. I told him I had just bought them from Duane Urch. The kid said had La Fleche for 6-7 years already. The kid was 16 y.o. He rode with a friend of mine who has known him most of his life (and who confirmed the kid had gotten his La fleche when he was about 9 y.o. I told the kid I would trade a La Fleche trio for a trio from him. My buddy is bringing back to Columbus next year. The kid was very knowledgeable about the breed.

This is undoubtedly the same young man I got my hen from.....He really knew the breed well....he has really nice birds too.........................................chrisf

 

[gjensen]

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I so agree with both of you....knowing the breeder and the background of the birds seems to give them flesh and flash on the skeleton of their breed.

It does. Even when you have the oppurtunity to meet a breeder of birds that are different than your own. There is nothing like walking, talking, and admiring the birds. No matter what they are. There is so much to learn in the little comments that don't even seam relevant at the time. Everyone looks through a different glass, and sees different things. When you get a feel for what their view is, it broadens our own. It is hard to pick those things out in posts on a forum. You do not know where they are coming from or who they are.
I feel the same way about plants. I have been very fortunate to become friends with some older country southern gentleman here. They are so much more practical than myself, and I never leave a visit, and not have been better for it. I would much rather source a plant from someone that has grown it themselves than go to Lowes and by the plant.
Even when we might know more about the plant than they do, there is something there to take home that we did not have before we left.

 

[saladin]

Puckett: Ultimate Fowl

Never underestimate some kids. Mine have been around the birds every day of their lives. I'd put my youngest (16) up against most folks that think they know birds. Granted, there are certain technical things he might not be able to communicate, but his intuitive knowledge of fowl is just amazing.

Understand, I'm not talking about some kid with a few pet chickens. I'm talking about kids that know the standard and how to breed birds. My boys help feed and care for well over 300 birds every day of their lives. They know when a bird is sick. They know how to set up breed pens. They are involved in every aspect of caring for these birds.

All the waterfowl actually belong to my youngest son (over 100 ducks and gesse). There is not a show in this country that he couldn't win at. He's proven it over and over again.

 

[ramirezframing]

Ok after the long but very interesting read of this thread, I have a question. Years ago I got two twin mutt hens from a lady, after a few years looking I found out that they were golden lakenvelders. After a few more years I found a sliver lakenvelder male, unfortunately I had lost one hen a few months before I got him and the other hen was 10 yrs old and only laid 5 eggs, which one hatched but died soon after. I have since found this site and more sliver and a few goldens. My problem is getting the eggs to hatch and live. 80% of the eggs wont hatch, of that 15% of the ones that hatch die. I have gotten eggs from all over the states to include my own, so I know its not just one line of birds with this happening. But most everyone says theirs hatch great and have no issues living after wards. I have tried hatching under a broody and with a bator at a friends house that could hatch a rock. We (the friend and I) have tried to raise them in all kinds of ways with no luck. I think the problem is a lack of genetic diversity in them due to lack of interest in the breed in the states. I have a few ideas on how I might be able to fix this problem, but would always like some input as ways to help the breed without messing it up further. Thanks for any insight

 

[Yellow House Farm]

Lakenvelders, huh. Well, you should be able to get some that are viable. I'd try Duane Urch, although other hatcheries have them. I wouldn't ,ess around with the goldens, which aren't APA SOP. I'd just focus on the Standardized variety, they're going to keep you busy and fill your infrastructure. Duane Urch usually labels his birds. Sand Hill would be another source. Then just start hatching and selecting.
You shouldn't have any problem with stock from these with a well managed breeding program.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Ok after the long but very interesting read of this thread, I have a question. Years ago I got two twin mutt hens from a lady, after a few years looking I found out that they were golden lakenvelders. After a few more years I found a sliver lakenvelder male, unfortunately I had lost one hen a few months before I got him and the other hen was 10 yrs old and only laid 5 eggs, which one hatched but died soon after. I have since found this site and more sliver and a few goldens. My problem is getting the eggs to hatch and live. 80% of the eggs wont hatch, of that 15% of the ones that hatch die. I have gotten eggs from all over the states to include my own, so I know its not just one line of birds with this happening. But most everyone says theirs hatch great and have no issues living after wards. I have tried hatching under a broody and with a bator at a friends house that could hatch a rock. We (the friend and I) have tried to raise them in all kinds of ways with no luck. I think the problem is a lack of genetic diversity in them due to lack of interest in the breed in the states. I have a few ideas on how I might be able to fix this problem, but would always like some input as ways to help the breed without messing it up further. Thanks for any insight

I'm no help with finding more gold lakenvelders but just wanted to say I have had the exact same experience with red leghorns. I saw an old pic of some red leghorns and they looked amazing. I ordered some eggs, all died at hatching. I ordered chicks and most of them just arrived dead, even replacement orders always were weak. Finally, I got some from Ideal, got a whole order of 25 chicks and out of those, 2 survived. When they got older, they looked like production red birds with white earlobes. So now, I have a breeding plan to remake red leghorns using some other varieties, eventually when I have time and room I will remake them. Similar story with barred leghorns. I needed some for a project I was working on and had no luck. Finally found a pair, the breeder talked them up really good. Well, they got here and looked just like hatchery style plymouth rocks with the wrong earlobe color. That is another project I plan to work on, using what I have around here. I want to make crele leghorns first, then from there work on cuckoo

 

[saladin]

I hope everyone has their breed pens setup or is at least thinking about them.

We had our first hatch yesterday. I set eggs every Saturday; so, we should be hatching each week until either Easter or Ascension Day. I had the Pox late and that set my hens back at least one month. Hatches at this point are small.

First hatch included:
Cubalaya
Lemon Blue Games
Brown Red Games
Secret Asil Project

 

[gjensen]

I hope everyone has their breed pens setup or is at least thinking about them.

We had our first hatch yesterday. I set eggs every Saturday; so, we should be hatching each week until either Easter or Ascension Day. I had the Pox late and that set my hens back at least one month. Hatches at this point are small.

First hatch included:
Cubalaya
Lemon Blue Games
Brown Red Games
Secret Asil Project

The incubator gets cranked Thursday evening. I thought I was going to need lights on the Catalanas to get them up and going, but they are outlaying the NHs. I was telling someone that I think they are happy to be moved south.

I have to wonder just how secret this Asil project is, lol.