Old and Rare Breeds

[buffalogal]

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"18th" century calendar-wise is the time period between 1700 and 1799, which would make the "Modern Era" everything from 1700 to 2000. Why not just drop all the wishy washy categories, say "Antique" with a cut off date of 1700, (breeds like the Dorking, Phoenix, Egyptian Fayoumi, White Faced Black Spanish, Polish, Aseel, and a few from South America and Polynesia.) and "Modern" (everything else)

As for including Guineas or Turkeys, well, no. Domesticated or not, Guineas are a species with some modern color variations, not a breed. And the various breeds of Turkey are all thoroughly modern; early tribes kept only a semi tamed version of the wild species, they didn't develop a special breed.

 

[Chris09]

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"18th" century calendar-wise is the time period between 1700 and 1799, which would make the "Modern Era" everything from 1700 to 2000. Why not just drop all the wishy washy categories, say "Antique" with a cut off date of 1700, (breeds like the Dorking, Phoenix, Egyptian Fayoumi, White Faced Black Spanish, Polish, Aseel, and a few from South America and Polynesia.) and "Modern" (everything else)

As for including Guineas or Turkeys, well, no. Domesticated or not, Guineas are a species with some modern color variations, not a breed. And the various breeds of Turkey are all thoroughly modern; early tribes kept only a semi tamed version of the wild species, they didn't develop a special breed.

There is only one breed of Turkey all the others are verities.
If you were referring to the common Helmeted Guineafowl I also believe that there is only one breed and all others are verities.

Chris

 

[Pyncheon guy]

There are also Vulturine Guineafowl and Ocilated (spelling?) Turkeys from Mexico and Central America....

 

[saladin]

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"18th" century calendar-wise is the time period between 1700 and 1799,I'm fully aware of when the 18th century was, but thanks for the lesson anyway. which would make the "Modern Era" everything from 1700 to 2000. Why not just drop all the wishy washy categories, Actually, because I like the wishy washy categories. say "Antique" with a cut off date of 1700, (breeds like the Dorking, Phoenix, Egyptian Fayoumi, White Faced Black Spanish, Polish, Aseel, and a few from South America and Polynesia.) and "Modern" (everything else)

As for including Guineas or Turkeys, well, no. Domesticated or not, Guineas are a species with some modern color variations, not a breed. That statement about Guineas makes no sense. And the various breeds of Turkey are all thoroughly modern; early tribes kept only a semi tamed version of the wild species, they didn't develop a special breed.The Turkey was domesticated by the Aztecs some 2,000 years ago. Yes, the Europeans developed the breed, no doubt, but credit should be given where credit is due.

 

[saladin]

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Thank you spartacus. Do you have any critiques or suggestions?

 

[Yellow House Farm]

I'm diggin NeilV's definitions. I feel that they are the most poultry-centric, communication precisely what is intended in a way accessible to the general community.

On another note, I do believe that the White-faced Black Spanish is also mentioned by Columella putting it on par with the Dorking. I think the ancients follow:

Asil, OEG, Dorking, WFBS. I'm not so sure about the Fayoumis but didn't Marco Polllo bring silkies back from China. How long had they been extant beforehand? I can't believe I'm putting a good word in for Silkies.....

 

[Chris09]

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I like this listing but since you are still up for suggestions let me through this past you and see what you think.

Ancient Breeds: dates to 400
Middle Age breeds: 400-1599
Modern Breeds: 1600-1844
Post Modern Breeds: 1845-1900
20th Century Breeds

Chris

 

[Tiramisu]

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thanks for posting the pics... i know next to nothing about them... but they are one of the breeds on my list to get... that is the 1st time i have seen a good pic of a hen... pls breed them and hatch as many chicks as you can... if you cant hatch them all send some my way

there is so little info out about them its a real shame...

Until like last Friday we had been getting a big fat 0 for eggs. They have finally started to lay again, so far we have 2 eggs and we need to check again tonight to see if they layed again, but on Friday/Sat. we are going to put them in the incubator and hope they hatch. They layed 2 eggs the first week we had them, I only got one because my mom wanted to eat the other one

and that 1 egg did not hatch.
We also have 2 Russian Orloffs that are about 3 weeks old now, they were from the same person we got the Buttercups from...have no idea what sex they are, hoping for male/female, but that probably won't happen

Oh here is a link to another close up pic of the buttercup hens. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=687958&l=ba2a586ddb&id=100000093282992
And also the birds are 3 years old, so the laying will slow down soon too. I hope that the eggs we are getting now are fertile since they are in a hutch thing, Im not sure if Brooster can do his job lol.

 

[Chris09]

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Correct there Vulturine Guineafowl and there is also a Crested Guineafowl but there is only one, "Domestic Guineafowl" and that is the Helmeted Guineafowl.
The, "Domestic Turkey" is a descendant of the Wild Turkey so there is only only one breed of, "Domestic Turkey".

Chris

 

[Pyncheon guy]

Sorry....I guess I missed the domesticated part....