? On Colors Breeding

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  1. mom2to

    mom2to Out Of The Brooder

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    if you mate a IB to IB do you always get IB?
    BS x BS = BS?
    WHITE X WHITE = WHITE?
    Pied x Pied = Pied?

    And so on......... Do peafowl breed true or is it whatever is in their past so the chick that hatches.....SURPRISE? I was reading that their are only two true colors and the rest are just a devation.
     
  2. Kevin565

    Kevin565 Chicken Obsessed Premium Member

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    *I'm not a expert*

    Ib breed true.
    Whites breed true.
    I'm not sure about black shoulders
    *I believe that pied birds can have a combination of offspring. Example a pied IB bred to A pied IB will produce some whites,some that look like Ib, and some Pieds.
     
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  3. Kev

    Kev Overrun With Chickens

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    1) normally yes, but IB can be split for a color or BS, therefore it's possible to get BS out of IB. Or surprises such as purple or cameo daughters out of a IB pair- that would be proof the male is split("carrying the gene for") purple or cameo, respectively.

    2) yes, BS x BS always all BS. Be aware, BS is regarded as a pattern, not a color. Same as above, a BS male can be split for cameo/purple and so throw cameo/purple in the BS pattern.

    3) yes.

    4) no- pied due to genetics of it, cannot breed true as for the birds with big patches of white. Pied to pied- 1/2 pied, 1/4 white, 1/4 dark pied (genetically pure pied, looks like IB with some white on flights and/or chin)
     
  4. Knix6468

    Knix6468 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Good place to find answers, also has links to more information.

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=388465

    Most of the birds when bred to like birds will breed true. The difficult part is when you have a split bird that looks like one kind, but is carrying other
    color genes as non-dominate. White birds bread to white birds will net white birds yes, but, the white color itself hides other patterns like pied, and
    black shoulders.
     
  5. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    Quote:yes most color if not split will breed true, pied is a pattern and does not breed true, spaldings don't either.

    White is absent of color , can be any color or pattern , but mask by white ....like white from a pr of peach pied , will be peach, white from pr of bs pied , will be a bs. Where good record counts...i had whites , that were charcoal, bs,purple ,and peach.
     
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  6. Kedreeva

    Kedreeva Longfeather Lane

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    And when you are done reading peafowl 101, Peafowl 201 has a ton of compiled genetics information about the various pairings.
     
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  7. Fowler Hencock

    Fowler Hencock Out Of The Brooder

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    Quote:yes most color if not split will breed true, pied is a pattern and does not breed true, spaldings don't either.

    White is absent of color , can be any color or pattern , but mask by white ....like white from a pr of peach pied , will be peach, white from pr of bs pied , will be a bs. Where good record counts...i had whites , that were charcoal, bs,purple ,and peach.

    I recently hatched two eggs. Both were from parents who were cameo black shoulder silver pied. Both chicks are white. Now, theoretically, if one turns out to be a hen, and one a cock, and they mate and produce eggs together...... will the offspring always be white? Or is it possible that they could throw a cameo black shoulder? Or a silver pied?
     
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  8. Kedreeva

    Kedreeva Longfeather Lane

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    Quote:The way white works is that it is a... "mask" so to speak. Your birds from any white to white pairing will always phenotypically be white- meaning every one of their offspring would look white. White is not actually a COLOR though. White is a... "condition" is the best word I can use to describe it. White is a result of something called total leucism. Albinism is when a creature's body fails to produce pigment. Leucism is when a creature's body produces pigment, but fails to deposit it. Partial leucism results in pied birds, where there are patches where pigment is not deposited- the patches are not genetically determined, which is why the patches are not the same on every bird. Total leucism, as in the case of white peafowl, occurs when pigment is not deposited on any of the birds feathers- but they still have skin and leg and eye color, unlike an albino bird would have.

    Because white is not a color but a condition, a white bird is still technically a color, it just is not displaying that color. So technically, your white birds ARE cameo silver pied blackshoulder birds- just none of that color/pattern is being deposited on your birds, so they appear white. If you were to breed one of those white birds from those parents to a dark pied bird of those parents, you would get cameo silver pied blackshoulder birds (and if I recall, ONLY that sort 100% of the time).

    You'd have to ask Deerman to be sure, but I believe if you were to breed one of your whites from those parents (the Cameo SP BS) to say, an dark pied from an india blue SP pairing (no BS), your chicks would be IB SP split cameo/bs for one gender and Cameo SP split bs for the other gender. Maybe white, but adding lots of stuff together at the same time makes me dizzy so don't take my word for this pairing lol

    Hope this makes white make a little more sense! If you haven't, go read peafowl 201 on genetics, it may help some.
     
  9. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    Quote:yes most color if not split will breed true, pied is a pattern and does not breed true, spaldings don't either.

    White is absent of color , can be any color or pattern , but mask by white ....like white from a pr of peach pied , will be peach, white from pr of bs pied , will be a bs. Where good record counts...i had whites , that were charcoal, bs,purple ,and peach.

    I recently hatched two eggs. Both were from parents who were cameo black shoulder silver pied. Both chicks are white. Now, theoretically, if one turns out to be a hen, and one a cock, and they mate and produce eggs together...... will the offspring always be white? Or is it possible that they could throw a cameo black shoulder? Or a silver pied?

    All chicks from those whites , bred together = all white
    These two bird , think of them as BS Cameo Silver pied,

    White(cameo bs silver pied) X Cameo BS Silver Pied=white and cameo bs silver pied

    White (cameo bs silver pied) male X BS (blue) hen =BS (males) split cameo,and BS cameo hens, chicks will also be split white or pied, some will be white eye.

    Those white worth alot more than a white from blue pieds, when it come to breeding. they are Cameo with two patterns , plus white.
     
  10. mom2to

    mom2to Out Of The Brooder

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    Quote:I had read 101 and now 201. yikes! "Solid wing (also known as “Black Shoulder” and abbreviated as BS)- Where the barring is on barred wing will be solid black/green/blue colors. This was the first pattern mutation".

    I paid for black shoulder. I just assumed it was IB with BS but in truth I could be getting anything? Well, so much for only having one color peafowl..... [​IMG] I might as well call them back and ask for the whites I wanted also lol [​IMG]

    Ok, another question. So, in peafowl, it doesn't matter who breeds who breeds who (unlike chickens) ?
     

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