One of my chickens has developed a lump on her beak

[Eggcessive]

Can you get a photo of the corner of his mouth? That sounds a bit like canker, a protozoan infection.

 

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[Brenda mc]

Do I have to Corentine him? he was with 4 females and they seem not to have anything yet.

 

[Brenda mc]

Can you get a photo of the corner of his mouth? That sounds a bit like canker, a protozoan infection.

 

[Eggcessive]

I would at least place him in a pen or large crate with his own food and water. Disinfect their water and feed containers. That does look like canker to me, but I am not a vet. Do you have a vet who would see him? I would try to get it diagnosed to make sure it is not something else. An avian vet probably would be more used to seeing canker which is common in pigeons. Fish Zole, Flagyl, both brands of metronidazole is used for treatment, and you can buy FishZole online on fish supply websites. Dosage is 250 mg daily, divided into 2 doses 12 hours apart, is used for 5 days to treat it. Acidified copper sulfate, available online from Jefferspet.com, is also used 1/4 tsp per gallon for 3 days a month to help prevent the spread in the flock.

 

[TL003]

I think it's possibly an abscess, and possibly in need of careful draining and disinfecting... But, I'm not sure, and a few things make me think it's more complicated than that.

Also, if she's showing positive signs of responding to antibiotics, I wouldn't drain it, necessarily. It could be painful enough to put her into shock, and she seems weakened already, so that'd be less likely to end well than if performed on an otherwise healthy bird. If it's shrinking, and/or she's showing signs of recovery, possibly best to just support her (through diet, medication etc) as her body does the work, but it's possible that it's beyond her immune systems' management (otherwise chances are it never would have reached this point).

It also may be a symptom of a disease. I would check her all over very carefully for other lumps. There are a few contagious diseases which many birds can carry without visible symptoms which cause tumors, abscesses, etc.

Another theory is that it could be a spider bite (which I would reckon likelier if there are two distinct scabs on the lump, but absence of that sign doesn't guarantee no bite) --- or there may be a foreign body in there, perhaps a treated wood splinter. The reason I suggest that as a potential cause is that I've seen tiny splinters of treated wood, specifically pine, cause raging fevers, excruciating pain, multiple organ damage and gangrene in both animals and humans. Sometimes, I think, they really overdo it on the arsenic and cyanide related chemicals they treat the wood with. Don't know if that's what they use in your area, but I've read some serious warnings printed on wood planks which dispels my doubts that a tiny splinter could do such a damaging thing. Otherwise I'd just think, surely, it's just introduced bacteria, or something like that.

I think it's very likely there's a deeper issue because she seems quite ill, almost unreasonably ill for a bird with a simple abscess. I've seen finches getting around with abscesses on their heads that are equal to the sizes of their heads, looking nonetheless healthier than her. Some of those were caused by disease too (avian pox, etc).

From the look of the bird, she feels poisoned; the way her eye is sunken and partially lidded and the way the feathers are fluffed, i.e. the ones on her head standing 'on end', generally indicates that the animal feels nauseous. Another symptom that reliably indicates that the problem is attacking major systems is that her facial skin shows a combination of dull pink skin which shows congested circulation, and patches of pale facial skin. So I would theorize that her liver and cardiovascular system's under burden.

An abscess can do this, but it's more likely if the abscess is a symptom of a disease or carries additional toxic or venomous qualities like an insect inflicted wound or a splinter of treated wood. Then again it could be something as relatively simple (yet detrimental) as another bird pecking her and staph (for example) getting introduced into the wound and then moving into the rest of the organism via that.

Ok, I'm know I'm not being very helpful, sorry, but there's a lot of potential causes, and treatment differs depending on what it is. So if it's shrinking or she's getting better (even if it's not shrinking) I would be hesitant to cut into it or lance it. Even if you decide to drain it, picking off the scab is better than making a fresh cut or hole into flesh that may not be exposed to the contaminant or contents of the abscess. It's possible her body has isolated something very nasty in there. Topical treatment of the lump as well as whole-body treatment via diet etc may be wiser than opening it. I don't know, because I don't know what's caused it.

I would check her for other lumps, check the lump for anything distinctive (does it have two scabs like a bite?), and just note anything that may help diagnose. Does she have a fever? (That may come and go). Does she drink and eat normally? Also, when you say 'more chirpy' do you mean that she makes an unusual amount of noise?

Sounds to me like she's craving calcium and magnesium which is generally what animals are seeking when they show obvious preference for dairy foods, especially while unwell. This is generally craved when the animal is in pain as that takes a lot of calcium out of an animal. If there's any sugar or any form of highly processed added sweetener in that cottage cheese I'd stop giving it to her as it would feed the infection. White sugar causes inflammation throughout the whole body. A healthy body doesn't notice but it can be the straw that broke the camel's back for a compromised organism. I'd look at other ways of getting her calcium needs met, in that case.

Raw, freshly minced garlic contains many compounds which have medicinal purposes. It contains Allicin, a potent antibiotic, which being dynamic rather than static is something bacteria etc can't easily become immune to unlike man made antibiotics which are the same every time, standardized and static.

Allicin is a compound in garlic that's made up of the enzyme interactions caused by cutting or crushing garlic, and dissipates over hours or days, so best fed fresh. Garlic is anti-viral, anti-inflammatory, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-parasitic, and a lot of other great things. But, though I've been unable to find a proven case, it is of course always possible that it could interact with other medications, so only use it if you think it's a good idea. Another thing is that if her liver's under load already (as it would be with infection) she may refuse garlic as it is high in sulfur, which is generally something an animal or human with a compromised liver hates the smell and taste of, as it is something best processed by a healthy liver. It could still help, but she may refuse it. Sulfur is also anti most bad things in terms of disease, infections, bacteria, parasites, etc and it speeds healing, when administered in a natural form the body can process without damage.

Anyway, best wishes, hope you find what's wrong.

 

[TL003]

I think it's possibly an abscess, and possibly in need of careful draining and disinfecting... But, I'm not sure, and a few things make me think it's more complicated than that.

Also, if she's showing positive signs of responding to antibiotics, I wouldn't drain it, necessarily. It could be painful enough to put her into shock, and she seems weakened already, so that'd be less likely to end well than if performed on an otherwise healthy bird. If it's shrinking, and/or she's showing signs of recovery, possibly best to just support her (through diet, medication etc) as her body does the work, but it's possible that it's beyond her immune systems' management (otherwise chances are it never would have reached this point).

It also may be a symptom of a disease. I would check her all over very carefully for other lumps. There are a few contagious diseases which many birds can carry without visible symptoms which cause tumors, abscesses, etc.

Another theory is that it could be a spider bite (which I would reckon likelier if there are two distinct scabs on the lump, but absence of that sign doesn't guarantee no bite) --- or there may be a foreign body in there, perhaps a treated wood splinter. The reason I suggest that as a potential cause is that I've seen tiny splinters of treated wood, specifically pine, cause raging fevers, excruciating pain, multiple organ damage and gangrene in both animals and humans. Sometimes, I think, they really overdo it on the arsenic and cyanide related chemicals they treat the wood with. Don't know if that's what they use in your area, but I've read some serious warnings printed on wood planks which dispels my doubts that a tiny splinter could do such a damaging thing. Otherwise I'd just think, surely, it's just introduced bacteria, or something like that.

I think it's very likely there's a deeper issue because she seems quite ill, almost unreasonably ill for a bird with a simple abscess. I've seen finches getting around with abscesses on their heads that are equal to the sizes of their heads, looking nonetheless healthier than her. Some of those were caused by disease too (avian pox, etc).

From the look of the bird, she feels poisoned; the way her eye is sunken and partially lidded and the way the feathers are fluffed, i.e. the ones on her head standing 'on end', generally indicates that the animal feels nauseous. Another symptom that reliably indicates that the problem is attacking major systems is that her facial skin shows a combination of dull pink skin which shows congested circulation, and patches of pale facial skin. So I would theorize that her liver and cardiovascular system's under burden.

An abscess can do this, but it's more likely if the abscess is a symptom of a disease or carries additional toxic or venomous qualities like an insect inflicted wound or a splinter of treated wood. Then again it could be something as relatively simple (yet detrimental) as another bird pecking her and staph (for example) getting introduced into the wound and then moving into the rest of the organism via that.

Ok, I'm know I'm not being very helpful, sorry, but there's a lot of potential causes, and treatment differs depending on what it is. So if it's shrinking or she's getting better (even if it's not shrinking) I would be hesitant to cut into it or lance it. Even if you decide to drain it, picking off the scab is better than making a fresh cut or hole into flesh that may not be exposed to the contaminant or contents of the abscess. It's possible her body has isolated something very nasty in there. Topical treatment of the lump as well as whole-body treatment via diet etc may be wiser than opening it. I don't know, because I don't know what's caused it.

I would check her for other lumps, check the lump for anything distinctive (does it have two scabs like a bite?), and just note anything that may help diagnose. Does she have a fever? (That may come and go). Does she drink and eat normally? Also, when you say 'more chirpy' do you mean that she makes an unusual amount of noise?

Sounds to me like she's craving calcium and magnesium which is generally what animals are seeking when they show obvious preference for dairy foods, especially while unwell. This is generally craved when the animal is in pain as that takes a lot of calcium out of an animal. If there's any sugar or any form of highly processed added sweetener in that cottage cheese I'd stop giving it to her as it would feed the infection. White sugar causes inflammation throughout the whole body. A healthy body doesn't notice but it can be the straw that broke the camel's back for a compromised organism. I'd look at other ways of getting her calcium needs met, in that case.

Raw, freshly minced garlic contains many compounds which have medicinal purposes. It contains Allicin, a potent antibiotic, which being dynamic rather than static is something bacteria etc can't easily become immune to unlike man made antibiotics which are the same every time, standardized and static.

Allicin is a compound in garlic that's made up of the enzyme interactions caused by cutting or crushing garlic, and dissipates over hours or days, so best fed fresh. Garlic is anti-viral, anti-inflammatory, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-parasitic, and a lot of other great things. But, though I've been unable to find a proven case, it is of course always possible that it could interact with other medications, so only use it if you think it's a good idea. Another thing is that if her liver's under load already (as it would be with infection) she may refuse garlic as it is high in sulfur, which is generally something an animal or human with a compromised liver hates the smell and taste of, as it is something best processed by a healthy liver. It could still help, but she may refuse it. Sulfur is also anti most bad things in terms of disease, infections, bacteria, parasites, etc and it speeds healing, when administered in a natural form the body can process without damage.

Anyway, best wishes, hope you find what's wrong.

 

[TL003]

I would at least place him in a pen or large crate with his own food and water. Disinfect their water and feed containers. That does look like canker to me, but I am not a vet. Do you have a vet who would see him? I would try to get it diagnosed to make sure it is not something else. An avian vet probably would be more used to seeing canker which is common in pigeons. Fish Zole, Flagyl, both brands of metronidazole is used for treatment, and you can buy FishZole online on fish supply websites. Dosage is 250 mg daily, divided into 2 doses 12 hours apart, is used for 5 days to treat it. Acidified copper sulfate, available online from Jefferspet.com, is also used 1/4 tsp per gallon for 3 days a month to help prevent the spread in the flock.

Hi Chooks! Thx. For the great information! My chicken has a huge growth On her back like between her wings. It’s a huge tumor looking thing and it’s gotten bigger. We’ve had her on antibiotics for over a week with no changes yet of the tumor? And it does ooze alittle. She still has an appetite. She rolled a lot in the dirt today more than normal. She usually lays one egg a day but she hasn’t been since she got this lump lump? Any advice I would surely appreciate it very very much! Thank you, Tracy

 

[TL003]

Oops this was for Chooks trying to figure out how to reply. Thx. Tracy