Ongoing Brahma Projects Thread

[big medicine]

[/URL] these are 2 of my young birds. Big medicine, could I get a blue laced red from either of these?

In the photo I'm seeing, given enough time and strict culling, I would think blue laced gold would be possible. The lacing and shafting on the gold females in the background will need some cleaning up. The males pattern needs considerable work as well. These things are all fixable if you commit the time to it.

What will likely be your biggest challenge however, will be getting a true red, as in mahogany, from these birds. Not seeing any evidence of it's presence here. To my understanding, being a dominant trait, requires only a single copy to show, so it can't lay hidden and magically reappear when the right genetics match up a few generations later like a recessive trait can.

 

[Cfmills]

this was another I had. Seems to have more red.

 

[Cfmills]

In the photo I'm seeing, given enough time and strict culling, I would think blue laced gold would be possible. The lacing and shafting on the gold females in the background will need some cleaning up.  The males pattern needs considerable work as well.  These things are all fixable if you commit the time to it.

 What will likely be your biggest challenge however, will be getting a true red, as in mahogany, from these birds.  Not seeing any evidence of it's presence here.   To my understanding, being a dominant trait, requires only a single copy to show, so it can't lay hidden and magically reappear when the right genetics match up a few generations later like a recessive trait can. 

is it safe to assume that taking this bird and breeding with some good black laced red wyandotte hens would get me close to my goal of a blue laced red? I really like the blue color of this bird.

 

[big medicine]

is it safe to assume that taking this bird and breeding with some good black laced red wyandotte hens would get me close to my goal of a blue laced red? I really like the blue color of this bird.

I like the color of this last male better.

Outcrossing to some good red based Wyandottes, be they black, blue, or splash laced red, should produce some blue laced red chicks. Now if the hens used are out of good well bred BLR stock they should be carrying two copies of mahogany. And if, as I suspect, the male carries no copies of mahogany, the resulting chicks will all be red looking one copy mahogany chicks. Breeding one copy birds together should produce somewhere in the neighborhood of 50% one copy mahogany chicks, 25% two copy mahogany chicks, and 25% no mahogany gold chicks.

Now the bigger question with this outcross may be what would the resulting chicks be ? The first generation will likely have poorly feathered legs/feet. Again the first generation combs being a mix of pea and rose combs, will likely look like wanky pea combs, or possibly some variation of cushion, or walnut comb. Type wise I would expect possibly some high tails, smaller size and lighter weight birds than good Brahmas.

It really gets interesting when you continue on with these chicks. Breeding them together will produce some clean legged chicks, all kinds of combs from pea, rose, and many cushion or walnut combs. Type will likely vary considerably as well.

 

[Cfmills]

Thanks for the advice big medicine.

 

[Cfmills]

this is another pic of the second cockerel. It is possible this one has some blr wyandotte already. I moved 2 wyandotte hens into my breeding pens at the end of summer and may have gotten some chicks from them before shutting down the incubator.

 

[bumpercarr]

this is another pic of the second cockerel. It is possible this one has some blr wyandotte already. I moved 2 wyandotte hens into my breeding pens at the end of summer and may have gotten some chicks from them before shutting down the incubator.

It looks like he has one feathered (sort of) foot and one not feathered in the picture. Am I seeing it correctly?

 

[Cfmills]

He has light feathering on the outside of both feet. That is why I believe him to already be mixed. Not nearly as full feathered as most of my other birds. I also have a young pullet same colors as him.

 

[big medicine]

I would say the better pattern and color, combined with the sparse leg feathering gives credence to that theory. Still too young and under feathered to judge much about type yet.

 

[Cfmills]

When they grow some more I will be in contact again with pictures so you can lead me in the right direction. Thanks again for the help.