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BaltimoreWoolCo said:
Hi, I'm looking for some advice/opinions on my rooster's bumblefoot. I've been fighting this for almost 2 months now. I've used lots of the common methods including epsom salt soaks, drawing salve, topical antibiotics in the abcess hole, and even baytril from my vet. Over the past weeks I've pulled off the scab and gotten a long kernel out, massaged a big kernel out of the top of the foot (between toes) and last week I pulled off a newly formed black scab with another plug attached. But his foot is still swollen and still producing lots of pus. This is what it looked like tonight:
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I soaked, then massaged and even squeezed and still got pus. I decided to try cutting around the edges with a scalpel but my hands were shaking so badly I didn't cut very deeply at all.
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What I'm wondering is - do you think this does require cutting, and if so, how deeply do I actually cut? I'll have my other half hold him this time if I do have to cut more. I've had chickens for a number of years but this is my first case of bumblefoot, and it's a bird that I'm very attached to. I'm honestly not sure that I know what I'm looking at or that I'm doing the right things. Oh, and he's still acting like himself, eating well, even running after his hens. Thanks for any advice!
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I believe @coach723 had one that was very difficult to get to heal, she may be able to give you some tips.
 
Wyorp Rock said:
I believe @coach723 had one that was very difficult to get to heal, she may be able to give you some tips.
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Thank you! Any advice is useful. I'm texting my vet this morning but I'm betting he won't have the time to do a rooster. He's extremely busy. I can sometimes talk him into chicken stuff but usually he just talks me through things.
 
Dawnclucks22 said:
I agree, but I don't blame the people whose pictures aren't as great... chickens are hard to take pictures of in general especially when you have to hold them in a specific position!
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It really is hard to hold them for a photo, isn't it? To be fair, this is an extremely sweet rooster and my partner is a photographer. Over the years I've learned the importance of good lighting, editing or cropping for emphasis, and taking like 20 shots to get 1 or 2 good ones. Still not an easy thing to do with an uncooperative bird!
 
If your vet will take a look at it, that may be best. I've got a roo we are going on 6 months with, with the worst bumblefoot I've personally dealt with. I'm doubtful at this point that I'm going to be successful with this one. His was not large at all when found, but the infection was not a nice compact kernal, it was ribbony and stringy and was pretty deep in the foot. You may have to dig or cut deeply to get it all, and if that's not something you are comfortable with, then the vet is best. I've had ups and downs with this, thought I had it at one point, but it came back. I've done multiple antibiotics, multiple surgeries, tricide neo soaks, honey packs, sugardine poultices, pretty much everything both traditional and non-tradiional for treatments. Yesterday found his ankle swollen, so it's spread. I had better luck packing his wounds with manuka honey than with topical antibiotic ointment, that was how I got to where I thought I had it beat. When you are feeling his foot, if you feel any hard spots inside, that's likely more infection. I've gotten chunks of it out of more than one spot on these feet because of the way the infection has wound it's way through the foot, and you may have to REALLY squeeze to get some of it out. I would keep trying as long as you feel there is hope, and as long as you are willing to spend the time, only you can decide when it's not really doing any good anymore. Most bumblefoot is much more straightforward than this, but once in a while this can happen. I'm not trying to be discouraging, this is just my experience with this particular case. I've done some before that were pretty easy and not much of a big deal at all. I wish you luck and will be watching to see if you have success and with what treatment.
 
coach723 said:
If your vet will take a look at it, that may be best. I've got a roo we are going on 6 months with, with the worst bumblefoot I've personally dealt with. I'm doubtful at this point that I'm going to be successful with this one. His was not large at all when found, but the infection was not a nice compact kernal, it was ribbony and stringy and was pretty deep in the foot. You may have to dig or cut deeply to get it all, and if that's not something you are comfortable with, then the vet is best. I've had ups and downs with this, thought I had it at one point, but it came back. I've done multiple antibiotics, multiple surgeries, tricide neo soaks, honey packs, sugardine poultices, pretty much everything both traditional and non-tradiional for treatments. Yesterday found his ankle swollen, so it's spread. I had better luck packing his wounds with manuka honey than with topical antibiotic ointment, that was how I got to where I thought I had it beat. When you are feeling his foot, if you feel any hard spots inside, that's likely more infection. I've gotten chunks of it out of more than one spot on these feet because of the way the infection has wound it's way through the foot, and you may have to REALLY squeeze to get some of it out. I would keep trying as long as you feel there is hope, and as long as you are willing to spend the time, only you can decide when it's not really doing any good anymore. Most bumblefoot is much more straightforward than this, but once in a while this can happen. I'm not trying to be discouraging, this is just my experience with this particular case. I've done some before that were pretty easy and not much of a big deal at all. I wish you luck and will be watching to see if you have success and with what treatment.
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Thanks so much for taking the time to let me know about your experience with your rooster. I'm really sorry to hear that you've had such a bad time with this. I've been anxious about mine and worried that I'm going to run into the kind of situation you're describing. I was surprised but relieved that when I texted my vet this morning he did not want me to do any cutting - he's going to come by and look at the foot tomorrow afternoon. That doesn't necessarily mean that this will be any simpler to treat, though. Fingers crossed that your boy still manages to pull through, and mine too.
 
BaltimoreWoolCo said:
Hi, I'm looking for some advice/opinions on my rooster's bumblefoot. I've been fighting this for almost 2 months now. I've used lots of the common methods including epsom salt soaks, drawing salve, topical antibiotics in the abcess hole, and even baytril from my vet. Over the past weeks I've pulled off the scab and gotten a long kernel out, massaged a big kernel out of the top of the foot (between toes) and last week I pulled off a newly formed black scab with another plug attached. But his foot is still swollen and still producing lots of pus. This is what it looked like tonight:
View attachment 1568441
I soaked, then massaged and even squeezed and still got pus. I decided to try cutting around the edges with a scalpel but my hands were shaking so badly I didn't cut very deeply at all.
View attachment 1568442
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What I'm wondering is - do you think this does require cutting, and if so, how deeply do I actually cut? I'll have my other half hold him this time if I do have to cut more. I've had chickens for a number of years but this is my first case of bumblefoot, and it's a bird that I'm very attached to. I'm honestly not sure that I know what I'm looking at or that I'm doing the right things. Oh, and he's still acting like himself, eating well, even running after his hens. Thanks for any advice!
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I'm.treating my Boys for bumble and they doing great with Silver Sulfadiazine Ointment
I Soak Their feet in warm water with betadine for soften the tissue and pull the scab (Whitehead) with twizer
Make sure u pull it deep because if u left any there the sacb will start coming back


Then fill it with silver sulfadiazine ointment wrap it for 24hrs
 

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