opinions on diatomaceous earth?

[Akrnaf2]

The facts are thous:
1. DE have been proven to be useful in treatment of external and internal parasites.
Not 100% efficiency,but so all the chemical wormer. They also don't have an efficiency of 100% and that as been proven by research.
2. Chicken can live a very productive life with some parasite load, they don't have to be sterile with 0 worms load.
3. Chemical wormers do have there side affect, and can harm humans.
4. Good biosecurity, use of plant material like,wormwood, hot chillies, etc. and DE do have an influence on internal parasites by reducing there numbers.


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[dawg53]

Wormwood has many uses, to include treating worms. When you present this natural product; how to administer it to chickens, provide dosages for chickens, cost, where to purchase it, contraindications and withdrawal periods.

 

[dawg53]

The facts are thous:
1. DE have been proven to be useful in treatment of external and internal parasites.
Not 100% efficiency,but so all the chemical wormer. They also don't have an efficiency of 100% and that as been proven by research.
2. Chicken can live a very productive life with some parasite load, they don't have to be sterile with 0 worms load.
3. Chemical wormers do have there side affect, and can harm humans.
4. Good biosecurity, use of plant material like,wormwood, hot chillies, etc. and DE do have an influence on internal parasites by reducing there numbers.

1. DE is ineffective as a wormer, and not against an infestation of external parasites. Chemicals are 100% effective if given the proper dose for the particular parasite. Second dosings and sometimes third dosings (depending on worm type) within a certain period of time assure 100% kill rate including larva hatched from eggs (you know this.)
2. One female roundworm lays thousands of eggs in one day. One worm is one worm too many, not to mention the internal damage they cause opening the door for diseases and egg production loss. Chickens peck the soil all the time, picking up worm eggs. They eat grass, grass has worm eggs on it also (direct lifecycle.) (You know this.)
3. Wormers are administered to humans under doctors supervision. I'll take the side effects over a bellyful of worms any day. People can take birds to vets for wormer treatment if they are concerned about side effects.
4. Biosecurity is paramount. Chemicals included to deter any threat. Anything less is mismanagement.
5. Here's an experiment for you Akrnaf: Put one of your DE fed hens in a wire cage, small mesh preferred. Then give your hen a dose of albendazole or fenbendazole or piperazine (your choice.) Then watch the results in within 24-72 hours.
As far as cyanide goes....there's all kinds of chemicals and hormones in the food and water we eat and drink today...some worse than cyanide; even marijuana smokers are growing boobs.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/05/health/youn-pot-moobs/index.html
How many eggs will these roundworms lay in one day out of this chicken intestine?



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[shortgrass]

ROFL... Oh my that might be the golden ticket to a 0 ha-ha

Really, there is an obvious difference of OPINION here, really I don't go over to the chat about Sevin and start screaming that sevin is carcinogenic, toxic to all forms of life, kills important microbes in the soil, THEN someone has worms and wonders why ROFL .... Where is that little icon of the smiley slamming his head into the wall? Cause I NEED it.

It comes down to ONE major point, for me, anyway... YOU WILL NEVER GET ME TO PUT CHEMICALS IN MY CHICKENS. WORMS OR NO WORMS. NO SEVIN NO WORMER NO ANTIBIOTICS. I HAVE NEVER LOST A ONE FROM WORMS AND WILL CONTINUE TO USE GODS GREEN EARTH AS MY SUPPLY OF MEDICINE.

Some would concur...so, I DONT WANT POISON IN MY BIRDS OR EGGS...OR MYSELF!!

ITS AN OPINION

 

[shortgrass]

Chickens peck the soil all the time, picking up worm eggs. They eat grass, grass has worm eggs on it also (direct lifecycle.) (You know this.)

THERE!!! That! Finally!!!!! IF YOU CANT MAINTAIN YOUR SOIL HEALTH, YOU GET WORMS. HELLO....

Diatomacous EARTH. It's pretty simple to understand... Maybe too simple? Certainly keeping livestock can't beca simple as a healthy STARTUNG POINT in the soil.... Chemicals kill those special microbes in the soil...leaving YOU worms

 

[dawg53]

ROFL... Oh my that might be the golden ticket to a 0 ha-ha

Really, there is an obvious difference of OPINION here, really I don't go over to the chat about Sevin and start screaming that sevin is carcinogenic, toxic to all forms of life, kills important microbes in the soil, THEN someone has worms and wonders why ROFL .... Where is that little icon of the smiley slamming his head into the wall? Cause I NEED it.

It comes down to ONE major point, for me, anyway... YOU WILL NEVER GET ME TO PUT CHEMICALS IN MY CHICKENS. WORMS OR NO WORMS. NO SEVIN NO WORMER NO ANTIBIOTICS. I HAVE NEVER LOST A ONE FROM WORMS AND WILL CONTINUE TO USE GODS GREEN EARTH AS MY SUPPLY OF MEDICINE.

Some would concur...so, I DONT WANT POISON IN MY BIRDS OR EGGS...OR MYSELF!!

ITS AN OPINION

Do you know what's contained in Sevin dust?
5% carbaryl and 95% DE. It's the carbaryl that kills external parasites. We've used it since the 60's in our vegetable gardens, on our dogs, chickens and sometimes on hogs. Still here typing. Of course common sense dictates that veggies be washed before eating. That's still the standard to this day with or without chemical or organic use.
http://www.householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands&id=19022001

 

[shortgrass]

Yes I am VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT CARBARYL is.... Oh but I find it very odd that it HAS DE IN IT and yet this continues...

It's a chemical and the MSDS isn't very friendly... Why would I want to scrub my eggs and chickens down with something poisonous? I could just use bleach too but I don't.... Enough of the personal attack on my OPINION of Sevin. That's completely off topic.

 

[dawg53]

Quote:
Worm eggs and cocci are uneffected by DE and chemicals as I mentioned in a previous post in this thread. They are encased in very hard shells and can withstand extreme weather, temperature, and soil conditions for years...look it up.

 

[dawg53]

Yes I am VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT CARBARYL is.... Oh but I find it very odd that it HAS DE IN IT and yet this continues.

Yeah, it needed a filler to dispense it.

 

[ConPollos]

1. DE is ineffective as a wormer, and not against an infestation of external parasites.

You must have missed my posts. 1) DE killed all the tapeworms in 10 of my dogs. I've watched it happen day by day with my own eyes. Most chemical wormers won't even kill tapeworms, but DE does. I'm not against chemical wormers and will use them if necessary, but DE works so that's what I'm using. 2) I live in the country where it's very hard to control fleas and ticks, and my dogs don't have fleas and ticks right now because I throw DE on the dirt floor of their kennel where they lay in it. I didn't do it to stop fleas and ticks, I throw down DE to keep odor and flies down. I'd rather use sweet PDZ for that, but I didn't have it on hand one day so I used DE and it worked. In 2006 through 2008 I used Frontline to prevent fleas and it worked, but by 2009 it stopped working because the bugs became immune to it, so I used a different spot on chemical from the farm supply for a couple of years. Then I found out that a tree spray contained the same active ingredient in Advantix and was being used by kennels as a spot on, so I learned how to use that by putting a stripe of it down my dog's back after measuring the amount with a syringe. The next year or two the tree spray changed it's formula, so I patted my dogs down with a sock full of Sevin and put a safe amount of minced garlic in their food, and they had no fleas or ticks. The garlic had already stopped the fleas, which was easy since most had been killed off from my yard by years of spot on treatments, but the dogs needed Sevin to keep the ticks off. I didn't think DE would prevent fleas and ticks because I had tried a different brand of food grade DE in 2006, which was a coarser grind and it didn't work. But now I use Red Lake DE, which is very fine dust, and noticed that my dogs didn't have any fleas or ticks after I started using it in their kennel. A couple of weeks ago one of my dogs got a cluster of ticks in her ear and I wanted them gone immediately since it was very painful, so I puffed Sevin into her ear and it worked within 24 hours or less. So, DE does kill worms and prevent fleas and ticks. This I know from 1st hand experience.