organic scratch & peck vs. purina

[PegramPoultryProprietor]

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but let us go back to the soy thing please. I know ADM owns and produces the majority of the soy bean frown in the US. I know they are GM beans. But what is wrong with soy beans in chicken or human food? Geees, it's in everything. I have always understood that any of the mainstream feeds that list plant protein are referring to soy. Personally, I use soybean meal as a protein source in addition to grains and pasture. I can adjust the amount of protein everyone eats based on their need (IE Layers, broilers, and breeders.) Anyway, could someone enlighten me about the “anti soy revolution” Thanks

 

[wrldlygrrl]

Lots of research online... http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

 

[angidee]

In simple terms, the anti soy revolution is because of over exposure as a result of being in everything. It's not generally naturally grown and over the long term can cause a range of results.
Too much of anything is not good. Because it is in EVERYTHING, anytime you can avoid it, you are that much better off.

 

[ReikiStar]

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We mix eggs, oats, pumpkin, fruit (like strawberries or blueberries), yogurt or almond milk and some water to make it a little slurrier. Spread it in a 9"X13" pan, bake it for 35+ min on 350 degrees. Not all of them like it...I'll admit, but some do and they pick on it for the next few days.

Our dogs LOVE it (have to keep the coop closed)....so one way or the other, someone eats it.

 

[angidee]

Unfortunately, I had a tough time with the powdered part also. I mixed it with stuff, but still didn't get a good response from my flock. So much powder was left behind that I don't think they were eating a complete feed.
I was sooooo disappointed because their ingredients are not only organic but local to their manufacturing plant. Their quality standard impressed the heck out of me!!!
I think I would have gotten better results if some were started on it as chicks (since they copy eachother, I am sure my older hens would have followed suit)!!
I may not have gotten great results but I would still recommend it to anyone who wanted to try it!!!

 

[chickens friend]

First I am sorry that I made some of you very mad at me over my standing of organic vegetables, and grains. I have come back and read some of the other posts that have been made and some of you were asking for a recipe of layer ratio here is what I do: 300LBS of cracked corn, 50LBS of wheat, 50LBS of whole oats, 50LBS of black oil sunflower seeds, and 100LBS of Purina layena pellets. I buy everything but the layena at my local farm supply that has a grain elevator, they mill the corn to my liking and they have all the other ingredients, the layena comes from tractor supply. These grains are not organic, but for those who insist on it being organic just omit the layena and use organic grains.

 

[centrarchid]

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How well do your birds handle so much corn? I have always tried to keep corn at less 25% of total formulation. What is protein content of formulation?

 

[ginger67]

THis is for the newbie that posted from Dallas (post #5). I am a newbie too. Just got my pullets a week ago. I live north of you up close to Sherman. Where did you find your organic feed? So far I am using Nutrena. I would prefer organic. I have the same list of girls as you except instead of 2 New hampshire reds I have two golden laced wyandottes.

 

[Erinmir]

I, too am somewhat confused on the seemingly sudden anti-soy movement. I've read some of the links provided and am still somewhat baffled. In all honesty "watchdog" groups will pop up for ANYTHING and often, medical facts and statistics can be bent to support any angle given. Let's not forget how eggs were at one time touted as the world's perfect food and we were encouraged to eat tons of them. Then in the 90's they found links to cholesterol and heart health issues involving eggs and they were consequently vilified beyond belief. They were the worst thing you could eat. Then more studies showed that eggs are indeed good for you and that the earlier studies were incorrect. I mean come-on. I think so much of one thing or the other is just hype.

I garden organically, do try to purchase organic foods when it is feasible in my budget, and I do feed my animals what is healthy for them. I don't have a problem paying more for healthier food. That said, I also have no problem buying food for either myself or my animals that comes from a major producer that may or may not include healthy ingredients. I am as much a proponent of initiatives that will save the earth and promote overall better living for all her living things, but sometimes you just have to go with what is within your means. Someone will always be allergic to something, watchdogs and governments will always find some food to vilify over another (ever think that maybe, just maybe, soy is being vilified so that more money is poured towards other protein sources???), and the world will still go on.

I say if it makes you comfortable then do it. If it works for your budget, then great. Just don't try to make others who may or may not be able to afford one lifestyle over another feel guilty for not taking a similar route.

 

[pwdhorn]

People get way too carried away with anit-soy or GM and organic. All the different breeds of chickens we talk about are GM chickens, same with dogs, cats, peas and okra. They just do it faster in the lab now instead of generations of cross breeding. Thank goodness for it or millions would starve. People are healthier and live longer than ever before. The biggest problem with poor people in this country is obesity. Noboby is saying pollute the enviroment just moderation is all things.